Resolved Bootup does not finish anymore

If I'm honest, having read the specifications, the ATI is a fair bit better, but the NVidia card has higher overall ratings...

 

Exactly, now I have to decide which coin to use!!

 

I am going to have make a decision after all.............

I remember the "OC, don't OC" decision when I built this beast.

edit: Bought the EVGA 9800GT. Now we'll see if it is the mobo or the card. Taking odds.....

 

Should have the new card in a couple of days. Should I try it on the old mobo or the new (used) one from ebay? Did the damaged traces on the original mobo cause the 7600GT to fry?? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

 

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Larry I had the same kind of problem, what got mine to boot all the way was unplugging the usb items plugged into my usb ports, There was some kind of compatibility problem. if it does reboot after you try that try putting them in different usb ports after it boots up and then try reboot again hopefully that will work it did for mine. If not then theres something more than just incorrect ports wrong with it.

 

Hi Mark, it has been an ugly scene over here.

You may not have read the whole dang story. So, it may be a good time to gather the chards for a little gluing time.

First I damaged my first mobo by severing 3 traces next to the mounting hole for the (infamous) ASUS Northbridge chipset fan. My PCIe slots stopped working. I bought a used mobo, but my video card did not work in that one either. After a few mobo in and outs (during the next to last of which I found the scratch on the original one), XP stopped loading up completely and there were those in the hardware camp and those in the the software camp. I love camping. Software won as the hardware options were played out. A big part of the software focus was the mups.dll based on my bootlog. I had read the USB scenario along with many others the can cause a "mups-dump" (trademarked, LOL). I decided to reinstall XP (gotta love the fire) and all is well except that the original mobo that I still have installed still does not see my 7600GT. Since I could not personally test the card it remains suspect, though MSI factory techs charged me $45 to clean the contacts and mail it back.

So, out of naivete', I ask, what do you suggest I try? My appt book is wide open. My printer and scanners are the only USBs attached. My keyboard and trackball are PS/2. I got rid of the USB footwarmer this spring. Sorry, I am a little indulgent tonight.

Thanks for jumping in.

 

The card has arrived. I need a little feedback from the pack. Should I not expose the new card to the original (scratched) mobo? It is currently installed in the tower now... or should I put in the refurb first?

 

Put the newer one in: if the old motherboard was the cause of the graphics card breaking, and it breaks this one, it may not be covered under warranty.

 

I installed the newer (refurb) mobo and the new 9800GT. No video. So I removed it and installed my ATI Rage 128. First boot I got the Bios logo screen but I was too slow (distracted) to get into the BIOS. Then it stopped with a checksum error (which I figured was probably just my HDD's switched around).

Flipped them and nothing. No video and the HDD activity would stop about 12 seconds into the boot. Many tries and nada.

Put original mobo in with the ATI Rage and here I am. Pretty *&%@ discouraged.

 

Oh dear. Sounds like something else got broken in the old mobo, or that the new one is equally dud. Did you ever get the old GeForce 7 tested? What was your PSU again? Have you tested the memory? Even so, I'm confused now.

 

Hi Larry, sorry to hear about your latest setback, did you get any error message such as due to change of Software or Hardware changes, then you might be able to use Rocks Ultimate Boot Disk to get you going.

 

What I am afraid of is that the original mobo scratch damaged the 7600GT (though MSI found nothing wrong with it) and that putting it into the newer refurb mobo damaged that mobo. Kind of like an electronic virus (e.g.- something shorted out) that just keeps on giving grief. I just hope that the brand new 9800GT is not damaged.

I don't think I can install the 9800GT in the ol' mobo in good conscience. Also, I don't think that I can test the 7600GT in a friends computer without potentially endangering my sanity and their computer (and that friendship).

No error messages that I know of. Of course, with no video, how would I know?? No beeps, either.

My PSU is an Antec Smartpower 2.0 500W.

The fact that I am here today on the old mobo with my ATI Rage card says that I am a survivor (of IT-abuse) !! Only thing I can think of is getting yet another mobo. Please say that you disagree!!!!

 

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I have bought yet another mobo on ebay. Will it ever end?

 

Hehehe - no, it probably won't.

For all others, Larry and I PM'ed briefly yesterday morning when he asked me to look in on the thread and I promised to get back to him.

OK, as for suggestions Lar - first thing I would do is reset CMOS and I always use the manual method with the jumper. Shutdown and disconnect the main power connector from the motherboard (24 pin in this case). Remove the 2 pin jumper from CMOS pins 1&2 and place it on pins 2&3 for about 10 seconds. Then remove it from 2&3 and re-jumper 1&2. Reconnect the main power plug to the motherboard and boot up, going directly into BIOS. Reset everything but pay particular attention to the Advanced Settings tab first sub-tab CPU configuration and make sure memory is set to 400MHz. In the second sub-tab you will find PCI PnP has a field to select PCIex as your video. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with all current settings before starting this excercise (ie: before resetting CMOS) because you've got that puppy setup a little differently than the average Joe who might be running with stock settings.

You can also check the PCIe slots under magnification for bent contacts, dirt or foreign matter. There is a molex receptacle on the board right by the top PCIe header. Plug a molex power connector into this and make sure you also plug the appropriate PCIe power connector into the card itself. Since you've got an SLI board, try the top PCIe slot first.

Fire it up and lets see what happens. If no go, try the lower PCIe slot.

Fingers are crossed and I'm hopeful that you get some action.

 

When I get the new ,new, new used mobo, I will reset the CMOS with jumpers, set Init Display to PCIe, and not knowing the difference I have always had the PCIe buss powered up with a 4-pin Molex.

I have also tried the secondary PCIe x1 slot (very slow) but the cards have never worked in that one either.

You mention 400MHz. You are talking about the DRAM DDR right? If I rememeber correctly, it always crashed the box when set higher than 333. I thought that with Dual Channel, that the number shown on bootup is actually 1/2 of the actual speed, or something like that. Lord knows where I got that from.

Thanks, Larry

 

Hi Larry, well you are marching forward............. great.
Yes Rock is referring to your Ram DDR 400 or PCI 3200 same thing, interesting though that you mention the crashing, this would be a direct result of the over clocking putting to much stress on your Ram and to compensate you are slowing the Ram down Rock will correct this if I am wrong.
What you would need is DDR 400 CL2 like you can get from OCZ higher performance Ram that can run on higher Volts. Doing the oc that you do you should also use the benefits of faster Ram.
The double figures you are talking about is in relation to your CPU and mobo as AMD will show 200 MHz but this is actually 400MHz.

 

Yes, Hawk has summarized it quite well.

There is an actual setting for 400 in the subtab I mentioned. Also, if you are having problems or were having problems running at 400, slow your memory down to something like 3.0-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS). Historically, this can be confusing because AMD actual was 2x the bus speed (like an engine firing on both the upstroke and the downstroke). I gave you 400 because that is the correct setting in the sub-tab referenced.

Lar, you mentioned in the PM that you had SLI so that would mean you have two 16x PCIe video slots. Based on your most recent post, I'd say you don't have an SLI board.

 

I am not not running my board (A8N-SLI Deluxe) using its SLI capabilities. But I did look up the specs on the 2 PCIe slots. When used as a single, the one furthest from the PCI slots is x16 (4000MB/s), the one closest is x1 (250 MB/s).

I assume that you guys like CPUz. I was looking at its findings in the memory tab and it says that my memory speed is running at 230MHz at my specified timings (though my DRAM memclock setting in the BIOS is 333MHz). The SPD tab (which I think shows factory specs) indicate 200MHz. So, based on our previous discussion, the 230MHz is actual while the 200MHz is the AMD 1/2 of the spec? Have I got this totally twisted??

I gave the Ram settings a go and it would not boot up at memclock 400MHz at 3.0,3,3,8. Went back to 333MHz, at 2.5,3,3,6. Rock your suggested timings are apparently factory spec timings as indicated in the CPUz SPD (JEDEC) tab.

Thanks to all.