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Data on system drive "C" getting larger

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by dan239, 2008/03/01.

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    dan239

    dan239 Inactive Thread Starter

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    My operating system drive "C" continues to increase in size for no apparent reason. Over the last year or two it has grown much more than I can account for.

    Here is what I found today. When I check properties on drive "C" it indicates the total size on disk is 7.50GB. When I check all the folders on "C" the total is less than 5.50GB. I do have protected operating system files shown and hidden files and folders shown.

    Can someone tell me where this extra 2GB is on drive "C ".
     
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    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff

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    Almost certainly in System Restore and temp files ......

    To clean up temp files .....

    Start > Run > %temp% > OK - all the files in the folder which opens can be safely deleted - note that 2 or 3 will be in use and cannot be deleted

    C:\Windows\Temp - delete all files with proviso as above.

    Internet Explorer > Tools > Internet Options > Browsing History > Settings - 50 Mb is more than ample for these files and in the same window Delete > Temporary Internet files.

    To control the size of the disk space allocated to System Restore go to Control Panel > System > System Restore and move the slider to the left to reduce the space allocated. Older restore points will be deleted.
     

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    dan239

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    Thanks Pete,

    Most of this I do on a regular basis, about once a week. I did change some of the settings as you suggested. Before I do a system backup, I always clean as much as I can, including turning off system restore and restarting it to clear all restore points. My alloted space for system restore was much too high and I reduced alloted space for Temporary internet files to 50 MB as suggested.

    I assume that if there is an extra 2GB of alloted space, it would show up as used in drive "C" but would not show up in the size of all folders added together. So, I may be pursuing something that does not matter.

    However this does not explain why my system seems to expand at times when I have added very little to it. For example, I run Adaware SE weekly and the number of objects scanned has increased from about 95,000 to over 140,000 in just a few months. This makes me wonder if something is being added to my system without my knowledge.

    I should point out that I keep a very clean system and run an on line virus scan about once a week. I run HijackThis occasionally and I do not find anything that I cannot account for.

    I realize that someone else cannot tell me what is happening in my computer, but any general ideas will be appreciated.

    Daniel
     
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    BurrWalnut

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    To add to Pete’s reply, these two programs will show you where space is being used:
    1. TreeSize Free shows used disk space, here http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml

    2. This useful little program shows file statistics including a graphical display by file type. Simply let the mouse pointer hover over the coloured areas to identify different file types, here http://windirstat.info/

    Also, delete more space by turning off Hibernation (if you don’t use it), right-click Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver Tab > Power at the bottom > Hibernate Tab and untick ‘Enable Hibernation’.

    If your PC is behaving properly you can remove the Windows hotfix backup hidden files that begin $NTUninstallKB..... from the WINDOWS folder. There are two ways to do it, either by the preferred method of running a script which also removes the corresponding entries in Add/Remove Programs or manually deleting them.
    1. Download, extract and run this little script http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm Create a system restore point first (WinXP) just in case anything goes wrong during the registry updating.

    2. Manually remove them by copying them to a CD/DVD then delete them from the \WINDOWS folder but leave the now orphaned Add/Remove Programs entries intact. Only delete the $NTUninstallKB folders that relate to fixes not those for applications like Word, WMP, etc. Do not delete the $hf_mig$ folder.
     
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    PeteC

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    The sort of analysis that you are making is fraught with difficulties and anomalies :)

    For example I have System Restore set to the max of 12% which equates to 6.12 Gb of disk space, yet when I look at the size of the System Volume Information folder in Explorer it is 12.6 Gb/7.26 Gb on disk - go figure!

    One point to bear in mind is that the pagefile expands and contracts as required if Windows managed - I prefer to use a fixed size page file which prevents fragmentation and interference with Adobe Photoshop scratch disk should it be on the same drive - mine is not. I do not know offhand if the max pagefile specified by Windows managed is completely reserved at the max level or not. Anyway I don't think any of the above is actually relevant.

    The number of files on the computer will increase over time, not only by the number of files you create, but also by the definition files for your various antivirus and adware/malware programs, windows updates and so on.

    I feel that we are not answering your question, but rather suggesting ways of reclaiming disk space. However the two software items referred to by Burr Walnut may assist in your search.
     
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    Don't overlook the possibility that the System Volume Information folder may have some stranded files in it. It happens occasionally.

    When it does happen, disabling System Restore and re-enabling it won't flush the stranded files. You'll have to do that manually.

    Please see this thread for further directions if needed
     
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    dan239

    dan239 Inactive Thread Starter

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    Suferdude2,
    Thanks for the suggestion about System Volume Information, but it has nothing in it.

    BurrWalnut,
    Thanks for the suggestions. I have a utility that deletes Hotfix uninstallers. I tried TreeSize but it did not tell any more than I already knew.

    Thanks to all for trying, I may be attempting to stop my computer growth when that is normal, as suggested by Pete.

    It just seems that my computer is expanding at a much faster rate in recent months.

    Any further suggestions will be appreciated.

    Daniel
     
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    dishon

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    I have the same issue so will try all of the above.
    Disk Size -8.78Gb
    Used Space - 8.6Gb
    Docs & Settings - 1.75Gb
    Program Files - 1.05
    Windows - 3.45Gb

    There seems to be a large amount of data stored in Docs & Settings even though I store my files on another drive

    I install my programs on another drive but I am forced into using the Program files folder sometimes but its not especially high.

    Windows seems to be the one pulling most of the space.

    In windows i have a lot of folders marked $NtUninstallKB933360$ or similar. Can I delete these? They only account for 600Mb though.
     
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    PeteC

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    A general comment here - if you look at the properties of a file you will see 2 values - Size and Size on disk - these invariably differ. The explanation is given here ....

    http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/size_on_disk.html

    and in more detail here ....

    http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic13802.htm

    dishon

    You have a real problem on your hands :) You effectively have no free space on the drive - under these conditions Windows will bog down and run badly. You will not be able to defragment the drive as this process requires ~20% free drive space and I would suggest it is high time to replace the drive.

    The data stored in Docs & Settings is put there by Windows - you basically have no control over that.

    You may find it helpful to move My Documents to your other drive - simplest way is via Tweak UI - My Computer > Special Folders.

    Your Windows folder size is ~half that of mine so is not that large.

    The $NtUninstallKB933360$ or similar files can be deleted - so long as you do not want to uninstall the updates to which they refer. Safest method is to burn to CD before deleting so they can be restored at a later date if required.
     
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    dishon

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    The biggest space user seems to be programs installed on another drive putting templates etc in the docs folder. It doesn't help when it does it for the admin, default, my, my wifes and my sons' accounts. So a few meg soon mounts up.

    I feel an evening of uninstalling and partition resizing coming on.
     
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    PeteC

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    Remember to backup before resizing a partition :)
     

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