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Changing User Name (System Wide) in XP Home

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by mark4man, 2007/12/30.

  1. 2007/12/30
    mark4man

    mark4man Banned Thread Starter

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    Hello...

    Selling my old Dell 8250 to a friend; & as part of the file/folder cleanup & prep...I wanted to change the PC's User Name from mine to his.

    I first went to User Accounts...changed it there...& it now reads as his name everywhere except under 'Documents & Settings'. So, I broke out the XP bible (Bott & Siechert) to find out how to get to the Administrator Account.

    But Windows won't let me change it there.

    So I tried to manually rename the affected folders under 'Documents & Settings'...but Windows won't let me change it there either (claiming it's a system file).

    Hoping there's a way to accomplish this...I don't want my name popping up on my friend's machine.

    Thanks,

    mark4man
     
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    PeteC

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    This is a scenario that I have not had occasion to put into practice .....

    I would not be concerned with Preferences in the various programs - they can be reset to your friend's liking. As I read it your settings will be transferred to the new profile - I would, however, be concerned about those applications which you are leaving on the computer and presumably have or will install on your's.

    The area of concern regards activation - some programs allow for installation and activation on two computers - desktop and laptop on the basis that they will not be used simultaneously. AFAIK there is no way that the software company can establish whether or not the two installations are in use simultaneously. I have had Photoshop running simultaneously on my desktop & laptop without Adobe screaming at me :)

    If the programs did not require activation and were merely registered I would not see a problem - the registration details are held by the software supplier and may only be referenced if you contact them for support. I would advise your friend to avoid doing that.

    It may be that you will have to transfer permissions to the new User - if so ....

    How to take ownership of a file or folder in Windows XP

    In all honesty it is 'suc_k it and see'.
     

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  4. 2007/12/31
    mark4man

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    Pete...

    HELP!!

    I knew I should have stopped screwing around w/ this. I now have a HUGE problem...I CANNOT access my old machine...I deleted my old account, but my old account keeps coming up on a log on screen...asking me for a password...but my old one doesn't work. Thing is...in safe mode...I was able to use the new account (my friend's) to get in once. Now I'm really, really upset; & it's very difficult for me to remember what I did.

    I set-up the old machine, turned it on...& went to advanced user accounts (Control Prompt: control userpasswords2). I deleted my old account (let's call it MF, for reference). The other account was also there in that dialog, so I renamed it (to A1, for reference); & created a password for him (for my friend, the buyer...as I read in the Bott/Siechert book that without administrator password protection, PC's are security vulnerable).

    Then I rebooted; & an empty logon screen came up (where it doesn't display any accounts, but asks you to click on a user...where there are none). So I look that up in the Bott/Siechert book; & it explains it; & tells the reader to log on using safe mode...so I did. A log on screen comes up in safe mode, w/ my friend's account (A1), so I type in the password & it boots to the safe mode desktop. Then I went into advanced user accounts again, looking to clean out anything related to myself in order to sell this machine one & for all. I found a Microsoft .NET password; & deleted it. Then I rebooted.

    Instead of the new A1 account coming up...my old account (MF) came up, asking me for a password. Now I panic; & try a bunch of maybes. None work. So I went looking in my old paperwork from year's ago; & found the one Dell gave me. I typed that in. The log on screen grayed out...like it was going to work...stayed that way for a while; & then spit it back at me (saying the user name or password was incorrect). So I tried the new account's user name (A1) & password...& the log on screen grayed out again for a long time; & spit it back at me.

    I now CAN NOT access my old computer.

    What do I do now?...I need to hack into my old PC & get thing straightened out !!!

    Please help...thanks,

    mark4man
     
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    PeteC

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    We have a very delicate situation here .....

    Even if I knew how to hack into a computer without knowing the password - and I don't - it would be in contravention of our Posting Rules #6 to advise on how to do it.

    What I can say is ... have you tried a blank password?

    Given that you have a Dell CD a format and reinstall may be your only option. I believe Dell CD's are full installation CD's as opposed to Recovery, but either would do the trick I guess.
     
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    mark4man

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    Bad news...really BAD news. Tried rebooting from the installation CD; & I can't get in without logging on. [Why the f is that?]

    Nothing works. I can't even do a repair w/o getting in as the administrator.

    I guess I'm going to have to do a complete reinstallation of the OS (as you said). I've got the product key (Dell pastes it to the bottom of the tower.)

    [Backing up a bit...in hopes of another solution...but assuming now...as a last resort...since I can't get in w/ the installation CD, all my options are gone, correct]?

    And I have to now do a complete reinstallation of the OS, correct?

    How is that done if one cannot access the OS installation CD. Can the primary drive be reformatted from the BIOS? How does that work?

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    PeteC

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    Something has gone very wrong somewhere - there is no requirement to log on to repair Windows .....

    How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP

    Simply booting from the install CD should be all that is required.

    I have no further suggestions other than a complete re-installation, but you might like to wait for input from others.
    Not from the BIOS - Basic Input Output System, but from a Windows 98 boot disk using fdisk - www.bootdisk.com

    If you don't have a floppy drive there is a CD available for a clean install of XP.
     
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    mark4man

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    those are the boot disk setups available from Microsoft, right? Why can't I use the XP Home SP1 (which my OS actually is)?


    BTW - I CANNOT reboot from the Dell OS disk...I've tried it 7 ways to Sunday. I even went into boot setup & selected the CD-ROM...& IT WON'T BOOT FROM THE CD-ROM. The log on screen is overriding EVERYTHING. I HAVE to reformat (to get rid of everything related to the existing OS). I've already resigned myself to loosing everything; & having to reload all the programs I was going to let him have for free.

    BTW2 - I even tried the offline NT password editor (freebie)...burnt the CD-R & the whole 9 yards...& the account that continues to come up in the log on screen is not even in there...not on the list of sams from the registry...NOWHERE. So, you're right...something's *terribly* wrong & it looks like a reformat/clean install is my last option. Just want to get started tonite...New Year's Eve...yes, I have no life.

    Wait a minute...Microsoft says those boot disks are for computers that can't boot from CD-ROM. That's after the fact, right? I have to reformat 1st. getting very confused.
     
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    Coleman Smith

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    Create a password reset file'

    Before you get into this mess with your new computer you should create a password reset file and keep it on a floppy or a memory stick.
     
  10. 2008/01/01
    PeteC

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    I can understand your frustration over this situation, but now is the time for clear thinking and confirmation of certain facts .....
    Please confirm that you followed the procedure outlined below .....

    Set the boot order in BIOS to CD-ROM > Floppy > Hard Drive

    Boot and insert the Dell CD

    Shut the computer down

    Reboot - during the POST sequence do you see a message - 'Press any key to boot from CD' or similar wording. Are there any other instructions on the POST screen along the lines of 'Press Fx to boot from CD'?

    If you are going straight to the log on screen the computer is booting from the hard drive, not the CD - stating the obvious I know.

    I have no knowledge of Dell computer or of the nature of the CD's supplied, but, as I posted earlier, I understand that they are full OS's, not drive images.

    I am wondering if the CD is actually bootable - can you confirm this by trying to boot from it on the other computer? If it is not bootable then there is a real problem.

    Does the computer have a floppy drive?

    Once the above is crystal clear we know where we stand.

    In the meantime I will try to drum up further support.
     
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    Steve R Jones

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    The cd or cd drive could be bad/dirty. Should try blowing the dust out of the drive...
     
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    TonyT

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    You should always be able to logon as Administrator. The Administrator account cannot be deleted. Try booting in Safe Mode. At the login screen type the name "Administrator" as the user name. The default XP Home Administrator account has no password. The Admin account is different than User accounts that are part of the Admin group.

    If the Administrator account has a password that does not work then you will need to do one of 2 things:
    1. use a Microsoft XP CD to format the drive and reinstall XP.
    2. use a 3rd party bootable CD that has utilities to change the Administrator password. (no links/instructions provided here)

    Since you are getting rid of the computer it would be best to just wipe the disk and load XP on it. Call Dell and tell them your Recovery CD has gone missing and they can send you a new one. Or better yet, get your friend to purchase an OEM XP Home CD, they can be purchased today for $75-$150. An OEM CD is the best option because Dell Recovery/Restore CDs don't contain the operating system files. The operating system files are located on a hidden partition on the hard drive.
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    Get the drivers for your computer from Dell:
    Dell Drivers & Downloads

    After XP is installed, install the chipset drivers first, then the video drivers, then the rest of the drivers. And by all means, when prompted to create a username during the install, type in your friend's name!
     
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    mark4man

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    Guys...

    The Dell is back up & running (thanks in large part to the help received here...thanks!!!)

    How I did it (the BIOS workaround) was to DISABLE the two other boot sequence options (floppy & C drive).

    With that...the machine booted from the OS installation disk. So...first thing I attempted was a REPAIR. This was my first choice, as I had an informational detailing how to get into advanced user accounts at a certain point in the repair sequence. This was a "breech a Windows security hole" method...but when I tried it...the access to user accounts was denied.

    So...now able to access the OS install disc, I performed a complete reformatting & reinstallation of the OS.

    Then I reinstalled all the programs my friend wants.

    But there's one more weird thing happening:

    At boot up...after the Dell BIOS screen flashes by...another safe mode looking screen comes up that reads: Please select the Operating System to start; & Windows XP Home Edition is listed twice (w/ the top choice selected). If I hit enter (or simply allow the time to run out), the machine boots to the desktop & all is fine.

    In my reinstall sequence, there were two partitions listed. There was a smaller FAT32 partition; & then there was the primary drive itself (C), listed as NTFS. I deleted both partitions (to insure that all remnants of me were gone from the machine); & selected C for the reformatting (NTFS) & OS installation.

    I went back into the BIOS to make sure I re-enabled the floppy & the C drive in the boot sequence...so I'm not sure what's going on w/ this...never seen it before.

    Any ideas on this malady?

    Thanks,

    mark4man


    BTW - Yeah...sorry on the emotion thing. My head was spinning & my thoughts reeling.
     
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    PeteC

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    Phoenix arises from the ashes and congratulations are in order - you out thought us at that point in time :)

    Post your boot.ini file - it needs an edit .....

    C:\boot.ini

    In Explorer under Tools > Folder Options > View check 'Show hidden files & folders' and uncheck 'Hide protected operating system files'.

    No problem - been there, done that - T Shirt, video etc :)
     
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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    [boot loader]
    timeout=30
    default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
    [operating systems]
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS= "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS= "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I'm assuming here it's as simple as a deletion of the last line?

    [actually...this should be the part where I shut up & listen to the expert.]

    mark4man


    BTW - Someone suggested that I have mistakenly installed two versions of XP on the same drive (which is disastrous). I don't think that's the case, as I deleted both partitions & reformatted everything prior to the install. Would that boot.ini indicate such a calamity? Is there a way to know for sure?

    Thanks for everything.
     
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    PeteC

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    Well, boot.ini is seeing XP on two partitions, but I rather doubt you installed XP twice - you would know that. If you look in Disk Management (right click My Computer icon > Manage > Disk Management) how many partitions are shown?

    My initial response is to 'play safe' .....

    Right click My Computer icon > Properties > Advanced tab > Startup & Recovery - Settings and under 'Time to display a list of operating systems set, say, 5 secs and OK out. The menu choice will flick past quick enough not to be a hindrance and slow enough to click another option if needs be.

    BTW does the other 'install' boot?
     
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    mark4man

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    I didn't install twice. In the installation sequence, two partitions came up...the FAT32; & C, as an NTFS. I selected the FAT32 & deleted it. I then selected the C/NTFS & deleted that. The dialog then indicated that it was reformatting the C drive & would then install Windows.

    I'm afraid to boot to that selection, actually...I'm tired of all the troubles.

    But there are no other partitions on that drive in Disk Management.

    mark4man
     
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    PeteC

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    Most understandable :)

    Suggest you follow my suggestion re. timing and let 'sleeping dogs lie' :)
     
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    mark4man

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    I did...sort of. I edited it myself, manually (tried the bootcfg /delete/ ID# command prompt thing...per Windows' official instructions...didn't work).

    Opened up the actual file & simply removed the second OS entry & saved it. The Dell works fine now...boots up just like it used to. All is well...the machine now goes out the door.

    Thanks,

    mark4man
     
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    PeteC

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    You're welcome - love happy endings :)
     

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