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    I have to concur that it would be best to install the setup on another unused HDD. No sense is messing up the XP drive.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I don't believe that I have any extra workable HDD. I can check my old drives and see if any are functional. Since I'm just installing it on C, without a total install of the OS, would it affect my MBR?
     

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    This suggests at least enough of an operating system as to be functional. To be bootable, the MBR must be adjusted.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    What would be the problems with allowing it to happen and then just uninstalling it?
     
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    The MBR is a map to the operating systems installed on your computer. For an operating system to be bootable, the MBR must know it's there. The image, in my line of thinking, would have to overwrite the MBR so that it knows there is an operating system on C:
    It's highly probable that it will not include the current XP installtion when overwriting, leaving it inaccessible. Uninstalling it means formatting the C: partition. It's possible that booting to the XP cd at that time, entering the Recovery Console and doing a fixmbr command will find the XP installation and repair the MBR, but I wouldn't place bets on it. Again, safest thing to do is remove the current drive, put in another drive and install the ghost image on it. When done, simply put your XP drive back in and go.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    If that's the case, I might as well just find a cheap HDD and use my Win98 CD to just install the OS.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I found a WD HDD with a corrupted OS laying around. I wrote zeros on the drive, fdisk and then formatted the drive. I then installed compact Win98 without any additional programs (ie internet & media). When it came to restarting the computer, a window came up stating:
    Insufficient memory to Initialize Windows
    Quit one or more memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your CONFIG.SYS AND AUTOEXEC.BAT files, and restart your computer.

    What do I do at this point?
     
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    Without having done any researching whatsoever on that message (and not being familiar with it either :rolleyes: ), my recommendation would be to use the ghost image you got from salvation after re-formatting again.
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    It looks like I'll have to start over on this. I got this error on the drive:Identified Data Not Found. Several instances of information on data positioning and location could not be found. Drive should be replaced.
    I'll try my other old drives to see if I can find one that works. If not, you still feel I should not put this ghost on the C partition of his working drive, even though that is what Salvation Data recommends?
     
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    I have not seen the instructions given by Salvation in regards to imaging a partition on a drive with a current operating system already in place on another partition, so I'm unclear as to what they 'recommended'. I'm simply trying to envision doing it, and how it could affect things.
    For you to boot to a 98 OS on the C: partition and still have your current OS accessible, the boot.ini file will have to be modified to reflect both OSs being present. Is the ghost image going to do that???? Additionally, for your current OS to be bootable, two more files are required ....... ntdetect.com and ntdlr. Their location on your system is unknown to me. They could be on D: with XP or they could be on C: by themselves. If they are on C: and you overwrite C: with a ghost image of 98, will they be spared? My understanding is that the image will spare nothing. So does the image contain those files for 'just in case'? I don't know that either.

    Again, IMO it would be best to put the image on a separate drive, to avoid the 'unknown' repercussions.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Here is the latest email I sent to Salvation Data. Maybe they can give me more information based on their experience.

    Patrick,
    I wanted to run something by you before I use your program. I have been advised not to install your Win98 Ghost onto my Fat32 C partition while I have WinXP active on my D partition. By installing this ghost, would that be the operating system for the HDD or would XP still be the OS, with just 98 information available on the C partition? What has been your experience with putting two operating systems on one HDD? I'll wait for your response before running your program. I hope to hear from you soon.
    Sincerely,
    Barry

    I'll let you know what I hear from them. I'm also going to use Partition Info from Partition Magic to see if I can straighten out what appears to be two different volume labels for the same area of my WD 80GB HDD.
     
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    Here is an update. When I started the drive this morning using my Partition Magic floppy, somehow it worked fine, and no errors were found. I reformatted the entire drive and installed Win98. After the installation's first need to restart the computer, I got the same error message of not enough memory. In researching this, I discovered that Win98 can't handle more than 512MB of RAM, so our overclocked 2GB of RAM is the problem. I removed the RAM and replaced it with 512MB RAM and set back the overclocking to normal. Now, according to what I read, I need to go to start-run-system.ini. The problem is that I can't get to a desktop. I no longer get the low memory message, but if I start it normally, I just have a frozen mouse icon in the center of the screen. If I start it in safe mode, I can move the icon, but nothing else happens. Somehow I need to reduce the maximum cache to 512MB, but I have no idea how to do this during an operating system setup. Do you have any ideas how to do this? I attempted to reduce the AGP aperture from 128MB to 32MB, but that didn't help, either. I'm at a loss, now.
     
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    I can maybe point you in the right direction :rolleyes:

    Start the computer in command prompt only mode. At the c: prompt, type

    edit c:\windows\system.ini

    then hit enter. That should open the system.ini file in the DOS editor where you can the necessary line(s). What exactly needs to be edited ..... :confused: I think it's in the [386Enh] section.

    I'll look around a bit too. ;)
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I found it, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to type in here. Is it in the 386Enh or the VCache. Should I type in MaxFileCache=524288? How exactly should it read?
     
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    From 2 separate sources ........

     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I only have one 512MB stick installed now. Should I write:
    [vcache MaxFileCache=524288] or is it to be worded a different way?

    Once I type it in, how do I save it?
     
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    2 separate lines.

    [vcache]
    MaxFileCache=524288
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I typed it in, but it was deleted when I restarted the computer. I guess I need to save it somehow. Also, is there a special way to restart the computer after doing this?
     
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    I think you have to press Alt + F to open the File menu, then arrow down to save.
    Start tapping F8 immediately after the BIOS posts.
     

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