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Freeze Ups caused by Live Update?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by braddude03, 2007/05/14.

  1. 2007/05/14
    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    Okay, lately my PC has been freezing up A LOT. And I've sort of noticed, that the last thing running before it freezes up in Event Viewer is the LiveUpdate service.

    It gets sent a start contorl, it runs, it stops, and then my PC freezes.

    Any ideas about why this is happening, and much more importantly, how I can stop it?

    Thanks in advance,

    Brad.
     
  2. 2007/05/14
    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    Control Panel->System Icon->Auto Updates->turn it off and see if that helps...

    99% of the time updates Only come out on the second Tuesday of the month...No real sense in checking more often then that.
     

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    PeteC

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    Surely LIveUpdate is Symantec (Norton) ?
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    I have studied Symantec LiveUpdate when it launches. It happens five minutes after starting the computer and then every four hours (default setting). It launches ten services on my system (as seen in Task Manager), Aupdate, LucomServer and eight instances of LuCallbackProxy. The number of instances of LuCallbackProxy that runs, depends on the number of components that get updated (only antivirus or the "whole package "). On my old (but current ... :( ...) system, the processor runs at 100% and during the minute it takes, it appears to freeze but as soon as the update session has finished, it gets back to normal.

    Does your system ever unfreeze or do you have to reboot?

    Christer
     
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    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    No, I always have to reboot. For example, today my computer froze at 10:00 AM while I wasn't home. When I did arrive home at 3:00 it was still frozen in screensaver.
     
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    Christer

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    What are the specs of your computer? If they are better than my 1 GHz processor and 512 MB RAM, it should be able to handle LiveUpdate.

    Try disabling LiveUpdate in Control Panel > Symantec LiveUpdate > Automatic LiveUpdate > Uncheck the box for "Use Automatic LiveUpdate ". Next, run a manual session from within a Symantec application (which should launch the same processes, more or less).

    Does it freeze when running the manual session?

    Christer
     
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    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    I ran a manual session earlier today and it didn't freeze.

    I have a 2.0 ghz P4 abd 512 MB ram.
     
  9. 2007/05/15
    Christer

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    I suggest that you run your system with LiveUpdate disabled for a week or so. Use the computer as you always do but remember to run LiveUpdate manually once a day. If the freezing reoccurs, LiveUpdate has been eliminated from the list of suspects. If the freezing does not reoccur, LiveUpdate has been confirmed as the culprit. The next step depends on the outcome.

    Christer
     
  10. 2007/05/18
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    If you should come to the conclusion that LiveUpdate is the culprit, download and install the most recent version of LiveUpdate on top of the current one.

    Christer
     
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    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    It appears that LiveUpdate is indeed the culprit. I haven't had a lockup since.
     
  12. 2007/05/18
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Reenable LiveUpdate again and see what happens. If the computer starts to freeze up again, install the most recent version of LiveUpdate on top of the current version. I have never heard the recommendation to uninstall and then reinstall and I am reluctant to recommend it. I don't know what would happen to the integration into the application(s) when uninstalled and reinstalled.

    If I find the time, I will test on my own system and report the findings.

    Christer
     
  13. 2007/05/18
    Christer

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    No time better than present. I uninstalled version 3.0.0.166 through Add/Remove and installed version 3.2.0.52. Integration into the applications OK and works OK.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    braddude03,
    do you have anything to report?

    Did you reenable LU?

    Did you uninstall and reinstall LU?

    Did you update LU by installing "on top "?

    Problem solved?

    Christer
     
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    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    I have not reenabled it, but I have been running it manually (It is right now in fact) but my computer has had very little freezing up since, so i'm assuming that was the cause of the problem. I will reinstall the new LU overtop tonight.
     
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    Wish I had seen this thread earlier. My liveupdate stopped working and gave me an error message. Norton help said to uninstall Norton security and reinstall. It would hang up before completely uninstalling, tried it thru Norton and then thru add remove programs in Control panel. Downloaded a job from Norton which completely erased Norton from the computer. I then reinstalled Norton security 2007 and liveupdate worked for one day and then I started getting the error message again. This time I eliminated the liveupdate files following online instructions from Norton and downloaded the latest Liveupdate program from Norton, installed it and liveupdate is now working again, but I have disabled auto update and will use it manually. Norton does update its virus definitions at least once a week, usually on Tuesdays, and sometimes more often when new threats are discovered. I did these changes yesterday. Hopefully it is still working.
     
  17. 2007/06/04
    braddude03

    braddude03 Inactive Thread Starter

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    Well, bad news. My PC is STILL freezing up, even though LiveUpdate is disabled. According to Event Viewer, it is still running, and it is always the last thing to run before my PC decides to freeze up.

    Here's a CnP right from Event Viewer. This is the final thing to be logged there before Windows crashes.

    Event Type: Information
    Event Source: Service Control Manager
    Event Category: None
    Event ID: 7036
    Date: 04/06/2007
    Time: 6:55:54 PM
    User: N/A
    Computer: MAIN-BASEMENT
    Description:
    The LiveUpdate service entered the stopped state.

    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

    I'm going to reenable LiveUpdate, since it doesn't make a difference whether it's turned on or off, it runs anyway and causes my PC to freeze.

    Thoughts?
     
  18. 2007/06/05
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Did you do an "on top" update to the most recent version of LU?

    Did you uninstall (which ever version) and reinstall (the most recent version) of LU?

    Have you tried disabling any screen saver and power management (make "always on" to really be always on by setting all to "never ")?

    How is the computer connected to the internet? Alone or with other computers connected to the same connection via a router? If the latter, disconnect the router and give this computer sole access directly to the connection.

    Christer
     
  19. 2007/06/05
    Christer

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    Post withdrawn for further testing. I will put it back when I (think) I know what happens.

    Christer
     
  20. 2007/06/05
    Christer

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    I wondered why it was still running and did some tests on my own computer:

    1) I unticked the box, like you did, to not use LiveUpdate. I restarted the computer and when up and running, I opened Task Manager to see what was there. The same tasks as usual were running and after 3 minutes an instance of LUCOMS1~1 ran (normal) after 6 minutes wuauclt went away (normal). What did not happen was the running of LiveUpdate (with all the instances of LuCallbackproxy). It seems like AluSchedulerSvc is still running which may be the cause of the problem and not LiveUpdate itself (which apparently will not run on my computer). The error message on your computer was:

    LiveUpdate itself is not a service, it is a program but the scheduler is a service.

    2) I went to Computer Management > Services and changed the Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler Service from "automatic" to "manual ". A manual run of LiveUpdate set the service back to "automatic" but "stopped ". I changed it to "disdabled ". A manual run set it back to "automatic" but "stopped ".

    3) I changed the service to "disabled" and rebooted. After that, the service was "disabled ". In Task Manager, AluSchedulerSvc was gone. After 3 minutes an instance of LUCOMS~1 ran (normal) after 6 minutes wuauclt went away (normal). In Computer Management > Services, the service was still "disabled ". A manual run of LiveUpdate set it back to "automatic" but "stopped ".

    4) I repeated the procedure in #3 and opened Norton Internet Security to view the LiveUpdate settings which were unticked (no automatic LiveUpdate) and when I went back to Computer Management > Services, I found out that running any Symantec application will set the service back to "automatic" but "stopped ".

    Conclusion: No matter what I do, the Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler Service will get put back to "automatic" but "stopped" which means that it will get started at next reboot. Well, unless you change the service to "disabled" before shutting down, that is. If you want to verify that this service IS the culprit, then that's what you'll have to do for some time.

    In your case, it seems like something is interfering with the scheduler. I will wait for your response to post #17 before trying anything else. (To be honest, I'm out of ideas and am shooting into the dark with my eyes closed.

    Christer
     

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