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Discussion in 'Internet Explorer & Microsoft Edge' started by Welshjim, 2006/11/25.

  1. 2006/11/25
    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive Thread Starter

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    After I installed IE7 when I create a new Favorite, the balloon tip (when I hover over the Favorite in the left panel) usually shows the title of the Favorite in duplicate. See image below.
    Not the most important thing. But any ideas how to cure this?
     
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    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff

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    I noticed that too, Jim - it also occurs in History, but I decided that it wasn't worth losing sleep over :) May be a bug?
     

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    Arie

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    Doesn't happen here :confused:
     
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    Bill Castner

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    The description has to exceed the Favorites windows width.
    If you see on the right of the Favorite ..... you can expect the baloon tip to provide the complete descriptor.

    Right click on the Favorite, Properties, General tab, and edit the description in the box at the top so that it fits the Favorites box width.
     
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    PeteC

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    Bill

    The point both Jim and I were making is that the descriptor is duplicated for some Favourites, yet under Properties it is only entered once.
     
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    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive Thread Starter

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    Bill Castner--Please see the thumbnail image in my first post.
     
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    Bill Castner

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    Welshjim,

    Those are not balloon tips. They are tooltips. For a balloon tip you would not still see the arrow to the right of the Favorite, and the expansion occurs directly over the Favorite and not below and to the right.

    I thought you specificly asked about balloon tips. For balloon tip expansion please see my earlier post.

    For tooltips the contents are registry determined in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\ . I cannot duplicate for tool tips the situation shown in the Welshjim's image above. The specification made for the tooltip is the column handlers for the metadata elements of any object. If for some reason these descriptors were repeated twice, they would appear twice in the tooltip.
     
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    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive Thread Starter

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    Bill Castner--Sorry I confused balloon tips with tooltips. I was unsure of the name, so I attached the thumbnail in hopes of clarifying.
    Where in HKCR would you suggest I look to clean up the tooltips with duplicated Favorite titles? As you can see, the Favorite, itself, just has the expected single title.
     
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    Bill Castner

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    ROOT\*\QuickTip
    (Remember this specifies column handlers)

    But I do not think the issue is there. I think it is showing you that the entry is a duplicate.
    (Note: the effect is for new Favorites created after installing IE 7)

    Test:

    Go to Google, News and find a nice looong headline
    Click and go to the site.
    Click Favorites, Add to Favorites, Add
    Do it again, but edit the Name in some fashion, say add a word at the end
    Do it again, but edit the Name again in some fashion, different than above.

    Now Open the Favorites box, scroll to the bottom to see your three new shortcuts.

    What do you see in the tooltip?
    My guess is that you will see at least two entries; and that the entries will differ depending on which of the three new Favorites you view.

    You can get it to display multiple names and multiple URLs. Repeat the experiment above, but change the URL slightly; say adding #32 or something different to the end of the URL. You will get a tooltip with at least two Name entries, and at least two URL entries.

    Genuinely interesting addendum:
    Right click on one of your test Favorites, Properties.
    Edit the Name field to just a single word. Click OK.
    Look at the saved URL. It shows only your one word from the edit you made.
    Now hover -- the tooltip will look up the actual value for the page over the internet if you have a Broadband connection and show that in place of the Name field.

    To fix the issue generally: Remove duplicate favorites. There are Add-ins available from the Microsoft site for this.
     
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    PeteC

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    My own test suggests that is not the case, Bill ....

    Open IE 7 and delete all Favourites (I have back up :))

    Reboot (to be certain that registry changes are noted, etc.)

    Open IE 7 - no Favourites, hence no duplicates.

    Open WindowsBBS home page and add to Favourites. Hover mouse over entry and the descriptor is shown twice above the url as shown in Jim's screenshot.

    Add a couple of the forums from the home page to favourites. Hover mouse over these entries and the descriptor is shown once only above the url.

    Add my Home Page at BT Yahoo to Favourites - descriptor shown once only.

    No question of duplicates so where do we go from here?
     
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    Bill Castner

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    It does not have to be a duplicate. The "genuinely interesting addendum" discussed the non-duplicates case where the "Name" in the Internet Shortcut itself differed from the page's self description.

    For example, your first example of a new shortcut to WindowsBBS.com:

    Internet Shortcut Name: Windows BBS - Help and Support forum for Microsoft Windows. A Wealth of Windows Knowledge.

    But this differs from the page 'Title' itself: Windows BBS - Help and Support forum for Microsoft Windows. "A Wealth of Windows Knowledge ".

    IE 7 stores the first entry, and reports the second (if you have an active internet connection.)

    If the entries are identical in all respects, only one entry is shown.

    If there are duplicate entries, identical in all respects in terms of their URL but differing in their Name fields, at least one form of Name are shown and one reported 'Title' from the page itself and one URL.

    If there are duplicate entries, different in name, differing slightly in URL, at least IE 7 will report one of Name fields and report the Title from the page itself. It will report both URLs.

    I am sure there are other variations.
     
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    PeteC

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    Bill

    You are absolutely right, of course - when I look carefully at the double descriptor on the WindowsBBS favourite I now see the quotation marks on on of the two descriptors. Thanks for pointing that out, although from Jim's screenshot the two descriptors do appear to be identical.

    And I did try out the "genuinely interesting addendum" on an existing shortcut and the result was as you stated.
     
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    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive Thread Starter

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    This is not to argue, but I think we have lost sight of the issue I reported in Post #1, which is that when hovering over a Favorite created since installation of IE7, I usually get a duplicate of the title of the Favorite in the Tooltip. I was looking for a fix.
    (For the record, I went through the steps suggested in the recent posts above, but, while interesting, they do not fix the problem--nor do I think they were meant to.)

    I am not aware that I have "duplicate favorites ". I see only one Favorite in the list of Favorites. But the Tooltip descriptor shows a duplicate (or almost duplicate) title for the new Favorite. "Add to Favorites" does not permit me to create a duplicate Favorite anyway--unless the duplicate is being created somewhere else than the Favorites folder.)
    So I have no "duplicate favorite" to remove.

    Please tell me the site to get such an Add-in.

    It may be of interest to see this page from Sandi Hardmeier .
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/07/25/105671.aspx
    The first image on the page shows she has the same "problem" as I, though she does not comment on it. (Rather her comments are directed to the phenomenon that the Tooltip metamorphises as she clicks through various links. I have not seen that on my PC.)

    In spite of the time spent, this is no big problem. I was just curious if anyone else had seen this Tooltip title duplication (to which the answer seems YES) and knew how to fix it.
    Maybe the Add-In mentioned by Bill Castner is the fix, but if not, no big deal.
    It does seem that Favorites' Tooltips in IE7 act differently from earlier versions of IE.
    Thank you both for the time and effort put into this.
     
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    Bill Castner

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    Sandi's site clearly shows two different Name references. The second Seifried site has a "/" while the first does not.

    This was explained above.

    If your stored shortcut Name does not match the actual page 'Title', you will see both entries no matter how similar they may look. One is from the stored Name entry in the shortcut, and the other is read from the actual URL.

    There is nothing to fix.
     
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    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive Thread Starter

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    Bill Castner--I think I understand what you are saying and have said and that is
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    (In spite of Arie's experience. :) Perhaps his configuration is different.)
    I do not expect any further discussion, but it would be interesting to learn someday what advantage MS feels this duplicate titling offers--whether the title is the same or slightly different. Sandi's post offered a possible explanation, but I do not experience what her post discussed. If I link from a Favorite, the info on the original Tooltip does not change.
    Again thanks for your effort on this.
     

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