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Wireless Desktop Adapter Card

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by mccoady, 2006/10/23.

  1. 2006/10/23
    mccoady

    mccoady Inactive Thread Starter

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    I just ordered a Belkin N1 router (for good or bad) as either people love it or think it's junk. Anyway I can't afford to order the matching N1 Desktop card now so I need a good G card and if I understand right you should be able to mix and match brands. Belkin has a couple of standard G cards (F5D7000 and F5D7001) but I'm not reading too many good things about them, does anyone have an opinion on them?

    Can someone recommend a good adapter card for $60 or less?


    Mike
     
  2. 2006/10/24
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    Here is, by far, the best desktop wi-fi adapter I've ever used. Based on the customer ratings that you can see there, alot of other people think likewise.

    I've found using a USB wi-fi adapter on the top of my desk to be far superior to a PCI card with an antenna at the back of your PC.

    If you do get it, I use the driver from the device chipset manufacturer, Ralink. You can download the driver for the RT2500USB right here.
     
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  4. 2006/10/24
    mccoady

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    Sounds like a good deal and inexpensive, I just ordered it from newegg. I also went ahead and downloaded the driver per your link. So what will be the procedure then of installing the Zonet, I've never installed anything like this before or used Windows (XP Pro) to do so? And do I first install my router?
     
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  5. 2006/10/25
    TonyT

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    Install sequence:
    download user manual for N1:
    http://www.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails.asp?lang_id=1&file_id=2585

    run the setup program on the cd that comes w/ the router:
    Setup Assistant
    The Setup Assistant, second generation of Belkin’s renowned Easy
    Install Wizard, takes the guesswork out of setting up your Router.
    This automatic software determines your network settings for you
    and sets up the Router for connection to your Internet Service
    Provider (ISP). In a matter of minutes, your Router will be up and
    running on the Internet.
     
  6. 2006/10/25
    Chiles4

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    Yes, you'll want to get your router set up first.

    The link for the Zonet manual is here.

    I took a look at the manual and the interface is not the same as the one that I get when I use the driver that I linked to. As such, I suggest that you instead download the driver from Zonet directly at this link.

    Hopefully, both the Belkin and Zonet manuals will get you going. Since this is your first router install, I suggest you make them your friends - i.e. read through them entirely before proceeding.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: DO NOT attach the wi-fi adapter to your computer until after you have installed the driver. If you do, you're royally *******.

    I think you'll be happy with your wi-fi adapter. I have very good range with mine and zero complaints. Not everything in the setup will be crystal clear but hopefully you can slug through it. Most of the default settings are fine.

    I use WPA security with TSK (temporal shared key) not AES. Your Belkin router supports WPA2 (newer than WPA).

    Gary
     
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  7. 2006/10/25
    mccoady

    mccoady Inactive Thread Starter

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    Thanks guys I'll post back when I do the installs this weekend if I have any problems or need some more advice.




    Mike
     
  8. 2006/10/26
    TonyT

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    My preferred method of setup:
    1. read & understand manuals
    2. never use router manufacturer wizard cds.
    3. setup router using ethernet cable connection. (wifi connection & security, etc.)
    4a. if pci wifi adapter, shutdown, install card, reboot.
    4b. if pcmcia wifi adapter, connect adapter.
    4c. if usb wifi adapter, go to #5, then connect usb adapter.
    5. follow Windows' prompts to manualy select the driver from the cd. If no joy, run the driver install from the cd. (sometimes the drivers are not standalone and are packed inside the install exe program)
    6. use regedit to remove the manufacturer connection software from loading at boot. hklm/software/microsoft/windows/current version/run -delete value (sometimes loads at boot via All Programs/Startup)
    7. use Task manager to End Task the manufacturer connection software.
    8. setup Windows to manage the wifi connection.
    9. unplug ethernet cable.
     
  9. 2006/10/26
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    I agree with this wholeheartedly! I've never used one and have always had smooth installs. It's better to follow a list of steps in a manual or quick-start guide than have something work mysteriously and auto-magically.

    I have heard of problems created by using CD setup wizards with routers.

    Gary
     
  10. 2006/10/26
    mccoady

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    Got around to installing both Belkin Router and Zonet USB Adapter and for the most part it went smoothly. I did use Belkins Wizard and it was pretty easy. When trying to install the adapter I ended up calling Zonet support and he had me download the latest driver on their website and walked me through the install. I was on the line for quite some time because I had to go get on my other computer to download the file but he showed great patience.

    After both were installed I called Belkin support to ask how to set my security so he talked me through that. My security choices were: (1) WPA-PSK (no server) (2) 128 Bit WEP (3) 64 Bit WEP and (4) WPA (with Radius Server). I know very little about securing a wireless network but I thought I probably should choose one of the WPA choices but he recommended 64 Bit WEP because WPA he said slows your network down too much. Is 64 Bit what I should have it set on?

    So now is my adapter also secured?
     
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  11. 2006/10/26
    TonyT

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    Not really, more like a false sense of security.
    Use WPA-PSK
    It will NOT slow down the network.
    WEP is very insecure. I could sit in my car 2 blocks from your house w/ my laptop and crack your 128 WEP security key in 5 minutes, and you'd never know that your wifi network has been breached. (note: I don't go around cracking security keys, but I could, just stressing that WEP is insecure, that's all)
     
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    Okay I set it to WPA-PSK
    Authentication: WPA-PSK (I'm also offered WPA2-PSK and WPA-PSK + WPA2-PSK)
    Encryption Technique: AES (I'm also offered TKIP and TKIP + AES)

    Should I click on "Obscure PSK "?

    Since I've never had a wireless network before does this security mean no one can piggyback off of my network? I notice on the software screen of the Zonet that there are several SSID's shown (not mine) along with my network name, what does this mean?

    I'm also having a problem with the adapter not remembering (keeping) my PSK everytime I reboot. When I reboot I have to open the Zonet's software menu and re-enter my PSK, how can I fix this?
     
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  13. 2006/10/27
    TonyT

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    Use WPA2-PSK.
    No need to use "obscure ".

    re connecting from the computer:

    The adapter cd probably installed 3rd party connection software from the manufacturer, Zonet. You do not need this software as Windows wifi connection software is much easier to use & is better product anyway. You don't want to uninstall the Zonet software vecause it may also remove the drivers for the adapter, but is best to disable that software completely.

    To disable it, check in Start Menu > Programs > Startup & if Zonet stuff there delete it. Also check the software itself, there may be an option to "load at startup or not ".

    If no joy, go to: Start Menu > Run > type: regedit & press OK.
    Then go to:
    HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run.
    Click on the Run folder.
    In right frame, look for Zonet connection software.
    If it's there (probably is) then do this:

    always backup registry stuff prior to editing it, so:
    right click the Run folder & select Export.
    Give it a name like "runkey-backup.reg" w/out the quotes in the name and save it to some directory like My Documents/My Backups/Registry Files/
    After it has been backed up, rt click the Zonet stuff in right frame and select Delete.
    This deletes the value and the software will no longer load at system startup.

    next:
    Right click the My Network Places icon on desktop & select Properties.
    Right click Wireless Network Connection & select Properties.
    Click the Wireless Networks Tab.
    Put a check next to "Use Windows to configure my wireless network settings ".
    Click General Tab.
    Put checks at bottom next to "Show icon in notification area when connected" & "Notify when this connection has limited or no connectivity ".

    As the Zonet software is probably still loaded & running, reboot comp now.

    When comp reboots, Windows will notify you that "wireless networks detected ". Follow the prompts and select YOUR wifi network from the list of detected SSIDs. You will be prompted for the WPA password and will have the opportunity to let Windows save it so you don't have to type it every time you connect.

    fyi-
    SSID = Servive Set IDentifier. An SSID is also referred to as a network name because essentially it is a name that identifies a wireless network.

    If use some type of security like WEP (Wireless Equivilancy Protocol) or WPA (Wifi Protected Access) then no one can piggy back your connection unless they know the WEP key or WPA password. The WEP key can be discovered in a few minutes using free software tools designed to do so, whereas WPA2 is almost 100% uncrackable at present.

    I have setup many many wifi networks for clients and friends and I have found that most all manufacturer wifi connection software is troublesome & limited at best, and letting Windows manage the connection is the way to go.
     
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  14. 2006/10/27
    mccoady

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    Maybe I should try to explain a little more clearly how my adapter install went and my problem. I ran the Zonet cd and the driver didn't install so I called their tech support. He had me uninstall from Add/Remove what it did install and then go to my other computer and download to a cd-r the latest driver from their website. I then ran the new driver on the machine I was installing the adapter on and got a Wizard which set it up and it was working. I have an Ralink icon in my tray that allows me to pull up the menu for different options (Ralink Wireless Utility). He had me type in my PSK so I thought everything was fine, until I rebooted.

    Now when I reboot it tries to connect but it says there is a weak signal. I also must point out (if this is normal) that there are several SSID's on the list so hopefully it is trying to connect to the right one. At this point if I click on my network name I can re-enter my PSK and it connects at full strength and works fine until I reboot again.

    I went to Start, Programs, and Startup and Ralinks appears there but I would just be deleting a shortcut so surely that wouldn't help.

    Following your instructions I went ahead and went to Run Folder in HKLM and did not find anything with Zonet or Ralink. When I downloaded the driver from Zonet's website I did notice that it did say Driver/Utility and it's just one file. Now what?
     
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    TonyT

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    I understand!

    Delete: Start > Programs > Startup | Ralink
    It IS a shortcut to the Ralink.exe that loads when the comp starts. (that's what the Startup folder does, shortcuts there will launch the program they point to at boot)

    re other networks in list:

    Any with the same name as yours? If so, access the router control panel using a web browser & change the wifi Network Name (SSID) to something unique like "mccoady" or "McC-wan ".

    The signal should not be weak UNLESS the wifi router is far away from the comp such as on a different floor in the house w/ brick or concrete wall between rooms. Chances are that the Ralink utility is not displaying the signal strength accurately which is why it appears to be a weak signal UNTIL connected. This is one of the reasons why it's better to let Windows manage the wifi connection.

    The signal strength is "perceived" using what is known as a "network sniffer" software. The wifi sniffer built into XP is very good, it often detects available wlans (Wireless Local Area Networks) that manufacturer sniffers don't detect.

    You have a Ralink utility because the wifi adapter has a Ralink chipset inside it. Ralinks generally work "OK" in Windows. Common other chipsets used in wifi devices are Atheros, Prism, Hermes, Orinoco, Broadcom, Agere, Intel...Manufacturers usually don't state on the box what chipset is being used, but by law it will be stated on the device somewhere in small print. I prefer Atheros chipset devices because they are easy to setupr in Windows and other operating systems and they work well.

    Turn ove wifi connection mgmt to Windows and dump the Ralink connection utility and reboot...trust me, you will be happy!
     
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    mccoady

    mccoady Inactive Thread Starter

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    Tony I'm more than willing to trust you since I'm sure you know what you're doing and I don't. I really appreciate your help. Okay I deleted the shortcut but didn't have My Network Places until I changed to Classic mode. If I right click and select Properties it brings me to my Network Connections page which shows the two tv icons under which is "Local Area Connection 2, not connected, ZEW 2500P Wireless LAN Card. If I right click and Properties on this there are only two tabs "General" and "Advanced ", no "Wireless Networks Tab ". What am I doing wrong? If I'm supposed to right clicking on an icon called "Wireless Network Connection" in Network Connections pane, well it's just not there.
     
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  17. 2006/10/28
    TonyT

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    Did you reboot after deleting the Ralink shortcut?
    Go to Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services
    Scroll to bottom and double click on Wireless Zero Configuration
    Set it to Automatic & Start it. Press Apply button.

    To show My Network Places on Desktop:
    rt click Desktop & select Properties
    click Desktop Tab
    click Customize Desktop button
    General Tab: put check next to desired Desktop icons
     
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    Tony that was the problem all along it was not set to Automatic and Start. I then followed your directions it was easy and worked perfectly, not sure why it wasn't already set to Automatic and Start though.

    A couple more questions. Do I want to disable broadcasting my SSID? And this morning even though my router and DSL modem both showed I was connected to the internet I wasn't, I unplugged both of them and then back in and they worked. I've never had any trouble in the past with this, so does this mean my router is acting up?
     
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    Yippie! It works! Well done.
    It was set to Automatic and Started in the default XP install. The 3rd party connection software changed it.

    By default, a wifi router or access point will broadcast the SSID x times per x seconds. SSID broadcast is not much of a security issue at all. As long as your connection is encrypted using WPA then no worries. Disabling SSID broadcast does NOT means others cannot detect your wlan. It means that if a neighbor or someone in a car outside using Windows op sys will not be able to see your wlan in their list of available wireless networks.

    However, the SSID is contained inside every packet sent over the wifi network, thus all one need do is use a wifi packet sniffer software to discover the SSID. The average user won't know how to do it and it takes a skilled user to be able to do it in Linux. There are Windows versions of these special sniffers but they are commercial products costing thousands of dollars. I use Linux on my laptop to do demonstrations & security tests for clients & friends.

    I did a demo once for friends/clients as I sat in a parking lot in DC next to an apartment bldg and used Linux to "listen" to the wireless traffic on about 18 wlans at the same time. The list of detected nets began with 12 and after 1 minute all 18 SSIDs were known. 12 of 18 wre open unsecured wlans!

    re disconnects:
    There may be a connection setting in the router for "keep alive ". This is usually for dsl connections. The router sends occasional "pings" to ensure the modem stays connected 24/7.
     
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    I'm really glad you were able to stay with me until it was set up right. Regarding these disconnects I'll see if it happens again in the morning. Could it have anything to do with my router being set to Dynamic (default) as I am using a DSL modem? The guide seems to suggest I need to set it to PPPoE. I also see where the router is set to block ICMP Ping is this what you were referring to?
     
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    block icmp ping:
    This means the router does not respond to pings coming at it from outside your network, the wan. Remote comps that ping your ip...the router will not respond to them. This is good security.

    PING:
    A utility to determine whether a specific IP address is accessible. It works by sending a packet to the specified address and waiting for a reply.

    ICMP:
    Internet Control Message Protocol - ICMP supports packets containing error, control, and informational messages. The PING command, for example, uses ICMP to test an Internet connection.

    Thus, if the router did not block icmp ping then anyone could ping a range of ip addresses at one time, hundreds, and sit back and wait to find out which ones respond, telling him in essence "here I am, there is a live comp here ". Hackers use network tools to scan thousands of ip addresses at a time looking for available networks. Ping tells them a network exists. Other tools can be used to investigate further.

    ppoe:
    Yes, dsl is usually set as PPOE. But before you change anything, tell us what dsl modem you have. Most dsl modems in US now also have a built in router. If this is the case, then you will have to connect the modem directly to the comp using the wiired connection, access the modem control panel similarly to accessing the router control panel, and then change some settings in the modem. So: What dsl modem & model number? Which isp?
     
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