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Outlook Express "auto logon" on Windows Messenger

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  1. 2006/10/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hello all!

    In another thread, we discussed the "auto logon" option on Windows Messenger in the Outlook Express > Tools > Options > General Tab. I knew that I had unchecked a box to not get "auto logon" (in addition to unchecking two boxes in Windows Messenger > Tools > Options > Settings Tab to prevent Windows Messenger to start with Windows and to not run in the background). This was done two years ago when my installation of XP SP2 was clean and some time later, we had a lengthy discussion on here on how to control the behaviour of Windows Messenger.

    The attachment OE-AutoLogon-org shows the option to be there when the installation was fresh.

    The attachment OE-AutoLogon-now shows that the option is no longer there.

    The version of Windows Messenger is 4.7.3001 (never updated since I don't use it) and the version of Outlook Express is 6.00.2900.2180 (fully updated).

    I used Ghost to roll back to the fresh state when no updates whatsoever had been installed and took the screen shot OE-AutoLogon-org. Next, I installed all updates to current and no difference - the auto logon option was still there. This rules out any update to be the culprit. (When finished, I used Ghost to roll forwards to current.)

    I have no idea of what I have done to cause this but I am sure that it was on purpose ... ;) ... I just don't remember! If the registry is edited to disable a feature, the feature gets "greyed out" more often than "removed completely ". I will try to find the old discussion and a possible cause but right now, I am very ... :confused: ... :eek: ... !

    Anyone else whos "auto logon" option has gone missing?

    Thanks for your time,
    Christer
     
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  2. 2006/10/20
    Master Green

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    To disable the Messenger Service in Windows XP (Caution: If your computer is part of a corporate network, talk to your system administrator before taking this action.)

    1.
    Click Start and then click Control Panel.

    2.
    Click Performance and Maintenance. (If you do not see the Performance and Maintenance icon, you may be using Classic View. You can skip to step 3 below, but you must double-click Administrative Tools.)

    3.
    Click Administrative Tools.



    Figure 1. Double-click Services in Administrative Tools.


    4.
    Double-click Services as shown in Figure 1 above..

    5.
    Double-click Messenger.

    6.
    In the Startup type list, choose Disabled as shown in Figure 2 below.



    Figure 2. Choose Disabled from the Startup type list in Messenger Properties.


    7.
    Click Stop, and then click OK.
     
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  4. 2006/10/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Master Green,
    thanks but the Messenger Service has nothing to do with Windows Messenger and since SP2 it is disabled by default.

    Christer
     
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  5. 2006/10/20
    Master Green

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    Hi,
    It's not uncommon to get the two mixed up and apparently I fell victim to such and I thank you for bringing that to my attention...In the mean time, you can see if what I have now forwarded to you helps or atleast until you find the solution you are seeking:

    Introducing "Shoot The Messenger"


    Shoot The Messenger allows any Windows
    NT/2000/XP user to easily stop and disable
    the unnecessary Messenger Service running
    in their machines.





    Click this link, or the image above, to download our
    22k byte "Shoot The Messenger" utility program.

    Shooting The Messenger

    Download and run our small (22 kbyte) "ShootTheMessenger.exe" utility. It will display the current status of your system's Messenger Service. The button near the bottom of its window will allow you to set the service to whichever state "” running or disabled "” that you desire.

    If, for any reason, you should ever choose to re-enable the Windows Messenger Service, simply re-run ShootTheMessenger to do so.

    ShootTheMessenger supports two command line convenience options which can be useful for operation from corporate logon scripts or batch command files:



    ShootTheMessenger disable

    ShootTheMessenger enable
     
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  6. 2006/10/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Master Green,
    thanks for your efforts but I have Windows Messenger under control. I don't want to uninstall it or anything else. I want to find out why the "auto logon" option in Outlook Express has disappeared.

    Christer
     
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  7. 2006/10/20
    Master Green

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    Hi,
    Okay...Shoot the Messenger will not Uninstall it, will allow you to disable and enable it incase you determine it's needed for something else...As for the Auto Logon problem you mentioned, I don't have an answer for that right now but will continue to assist you in finding such unless we are blessed with it in the mean time...
     
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  8. 2006/10/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I believe that I have done a regedit or some change to policies but I have not yet remembered (me and my teflon coated memory). I will dig deeper as soon as possible.

    Thanks,
    Christer
     
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  9. 2006/10/20
    Master Green

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    Hi,
    I found this and not sure if this is what you have been looking for exactly, but scope it out and post back:

    Stop Messenger running


    Windows XP - run gpedit.msc. Computer Configuration --> Administrative Templates --> Windows Components --> Windows Messenger --> Set "Do not allow Windows Messenger to be run" and "Do not automatically start Winodws Messenger initially" to 'enabled'.



    3 Registry edits are required to stop Messenger and get rid of the delay in OE.

    Go to:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Messenger\Client

    Add the following values as New, DWord Values:

    PreventRun
    PreventAutoRun

    Set the value of each of these to 1


    To stop Messenger from running when you start Outlook Express, first make sure that you have auto-logon turned off at OE tools, options, general tab. Also, make sure that your Contact Pane is turned off.



    Now go to:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Outlook Express

    Add a New, DWord value called Hide Messenger and set the value to 2. (This step is required to prevent a long delay when opening OE with the Contacts pane enabled)
     
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  10. 2006/10/21
    Bill Castner

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    Just some of the ways to disable or remove Windows Messenger. And an important note for OE users at the end.


    1. In Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Program Access and Defaults icon on left panel, just unselect Windows Messenger as the default IM client by selecting Custom.

    Done.


    2. Go to Start > Run, then type in this and run it. (this is one Line)

    RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove

    Done.


    3. To uninstall Windows Messenger completly from your computer

    a. Using Notepad, open the file %windir%\inf\sysoc.inf
    b. Change the line that reads

    msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,hide,7

    to

    msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,,7

    (delete the word "hide" but leave the commas)

    c. Go to the Control Panel, choose Add/Remove Programs, and select the "Windows Components" tag.
    d. "Windows Messenger" now appears at the bottom of the list. Remove it as you would any other application.

    Done.


    4. Using Explorer, Navigate to:
    C:\Program Files\Messenger

    Rename the folder something else.

    Done.


    IMPORTANT NOTE:

    Q: After removing Windows Messenger, Outlook Express takes forever to load! Why? (#7326)

    A: This is because Outlook Express is integrated with Windows Messenger. When Messenger is removed using some of the popular uninstall methods, there is one registry key left behind that causes Outlook Express to take a long time to load. On some computers, this may be accompanied by an entry in the error log saying "The server {FB7199AB-79BF-11D2-8D94-0000F875C541} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout "

    To fix this, start REGEDIT.EXE and navigate to the key:
    HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}
    You can also do a search for this key to get there easily.

    In this key, you will find the keys InProc32 and LocalServer32. In both of these keys, there is a default key. Change the default key to a empty string. Reboot your computer after making the change.

    NOTE: Backup your computer and system registry before proceeding.

    NOTE: This FAQ item is applicable only to Outlook Express, NOT Outlook.

    Source: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/7326
     
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  11. 2006/10/21
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Master Green,

    This is the option that has gone missing and I am searching for the cause (which probably sits between the backrest and the screen).

    I have not made any changes to these policies.

    I don't have that one (...\Messenger\Client).

    I have not added that DWord value.

    I have accomplished that by the method discussed by Bill in post #9.

    Thanks for helping,
    Christer
     
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  12. 2006/10/21
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Bill Castner,
    thanks for stepping in with your information. The "important note for OE users at the end" has a bearing on my setup:

    I have a single user account and it (naturally) has administrator privileges. I do however run all web applications under DropMyRights. I have separate shortcuts which don't implement DMR when going places like Windows Update and others when administrator privileges are required. (I tried to install FlashPlayer but it didn't succeed until I went to Adobes site with administrator privileges [no DMR].)

    DMR causes Outlook Express to load slowly, if I remember correctly it doesn't matter if the contacts pane is open or not. This was fixed by:

    with the difference that "InProc32" reads "InProcServer32 ".

    Could this be the reason for the missing check box for:

    Christer
     
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  13. 2006/10/21
    Bill Castner

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    I can only guess.

    If you set OE to not automaticly start Messenger, it starts it anyway (you can see it in Task Manager) but it is not enabled and does not appear in the Notification Tray.

    So if OE (which does monitor Messenger contacts as part of its phonebook responsibilities) does not find the Messenger process running, it does not offer the option to autostart or not the Messenger IM application.
     
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  14. 2006/10/21
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I don't think OE starts WM automatically if that box is unchecked. In another post, I mentioned a long discussion on the subject and one thing I found out is that if Norton AntiVirus is set to monitor WM , no matter what you do, msmsgs.exe appears in TaskManager. At that time I was using NIS/NAV 2003 but am now using NIS/NAV 2005. I started TaskManager and there was no msmsgs.exe. I checked the box in NAV to monitor WM and msmsgs.exe promptly showed up in TaskManager. Unchecked the box in NAV again and it went away. No difference regarding the missing "auto logon option ".

    When time permits, I will once again roll back (using Ghost) to a state when the "auto logon option" is still there and then install DMR and the regfix for OE. If the "auto logon option" goes away with that, I have found the reason.

    I'm not having a problem with it gone ... :cool: ... I'm having a problem with me not knowing the hows and whens!

    Christer
     
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  15. 2006/10/22
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Bill,

    this is the original key on my system:

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}]
@= "Messenger Application "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\InProcServer32]
@= "C:\\Program\\Messenger\\msgsc.dll "
 "ThreadingModel "= "Apartment "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\LocalServer32]
@= "C:\\Program\\Messenger\\msmsgs.exe "
 "ThreadingModel "= "Apartment "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\ProgID]
@= "Messenger.MessengerApp.1 "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\Programmable]
@=" "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\TypeLib]
@= "{218CB45F-20B6-11d2-8E17-0000F803A446} "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\Version]
@= "1.0 "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\VersionIndependentProgID]
@= "Messenger.MessengerApp "
    and the one below is the modified key on my system:

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}]
@= "Messenger Application "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\InProcServer32]
@=" "
 "ThreadingModel "= "Apartment "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\LocalServer32]
@=" "
 "ThreadingModel "= "Apartment "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\ProgID]
@= "Messenger.MessengerApp.1 "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\Programmable]
@=" "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\TypeLib]
@= "{218CB45F-20B6-11d2-8E17-0000F803A446} "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\Version]
@= "1.0 "

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{FB7199AB-79BF-11d2-8D94-0000F875C541}\VersionIndependentProgID]
@= "Messenger.MessengerApp "
    Could this have removed the "auto logon option "?

    Christer
     
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  16. 2006/10/22
    Bill Castner

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    Replace the "@" values with the path shown for InProcServer32 and LocalServer32 and see what happens after a reboot. (It is not going to hurt anything to test this).
     
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  17. 2006/10/23
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    At home on my own computer:

    - I added the information of the original key to the registry and the "auto logon option" was back, see the attached OE-AutoLogon-RegOrg.JPG. It was unchecked as I had set it prior to modifying the reg key.

    - I added the information of the modified key to the registry and the "auto logon option" was gone, see the attached OE-AutoLogon-RegMod.JPG.

    Finally ... :cool: ... I can sleep again during the night (and during the day too for that matter)!

    Thanks all for your detective work!

    Christer
     
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