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Is This CPU Dead

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by hawk22, 2006/07/01.

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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi all, I have been busy assembling a new PC except of the CPU which is used. Installed the cooler onto the CPU, mounted onto the mobo all according to instructions installed the mobo into the new Cooler Master Case connected all the wires and a HDD but when giving it power only the power on LED on the Mobo lights up nothing else no fans spinning in the case or CPU cooler or PSU all dead. Is this a sign of a dead CPU?? Is there any way of testing the CPU.
    The ASUS board only has a 20 Pin connector the PSU has a 24 pin but the end 4 pins can be unhooked.
    ASUS A7V600-X Board Socket A - AMD XP2600+ CPU
     
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    PeteC

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    Could be a faulty PSU, but more likely the power switch on the front of the case. Check your connections to the motherboard. You could briefly short out the two motherboard pins to see if the fans spin up. If they do there is a problem with the power switch.

    Double check that the 20 pin power plug is pushed right in.

    The power led on the motherboard will remain lit until the computer is disconnected from the supply, either by a switch on the back of the case or at the wall socket.
     

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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Pete great to hear from you, yes the Motherboard LED do stay on until unplugged from the wall, the 20 pin is all the way in and I assume that this is ok if you have to remove the other 4 pins.
    When you say to shorten out the Motherboard pins I am not shure on how to go about doing that.
    I will remove all the wires from the front switch and re-plug them just to see, by the sound of things you don't seem to think it is the CPU. Should any of the Fans be spinning even if the CPU is dead??
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    PeteC

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    Yes - quite OK to remove the other 4 plugs from the power plug - some motherboards have a 24 pin socket for later CPU's and others have a separate 4 pin socket for those 4 plugs. Checking out your mobo manual you have only the 20 pin power socket.
    Two leads from the power switch go to the ATX Power switch connectors on the motherboard - page 1-23 of the manual. When the power switch is made these two pins are connected. My suggestion was to take a small flat bladed scre w driver and momentarily short out those two pins - you will need to remove the wires first. If the fans spin up the problem lies in the switch or the wiring to it.

    Double check that you have made the connections from the case to the motherboard exactly as shown on that page. It is very easy to be out by a pin, one way or another.

    I don't think for one minute that it is the CPU - the fans should spin up without the CPU installed.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Pete, I have pulled out all the wires again from the case and I just wonder whitch way round they should be plugged in, they have the description of what they are one one side I assume the front and at the back it reads KSP with a little arrow pointing to the outside pin, now when I plug them in whitch way should they be facing, maybe that is where I went wrong in the first place.
    Pete as you can see the Manual how would you set them.
    This is the list of the wires from the front of the case:
    Reset 2 pin both gray one with KSP and the arrow
    Power SW 2 pin white and blue KSP and arrow on blue
    H.D.D. 2 pin white and red KSP and arrow on red
    Speaker 4 pin black and yellow KSP and arrow on yellow
    two single pins + green - yellow
    plus the USB connectors
    thanks Pete
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    Whiskeyman Lifetime Subscription

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    Check the motherboard standoffs to see if they are in the correct locations (you did use them?). If they are not installed or in the correct locations the motherboard may be shorting against the back of the case.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi yes I did and I have it powering up now the Power Switch wire was not correctly connected to the Motherboard.
    But I am stuck now on Installing Windows I have it booting of the Windows XP CD as I have no Floppy Windows installs the Drivers but then tells me it can not find the HDD it is looking I think for a IDE drive but I have connected a Sata drive, should I be inserting the Motherboard CD after pressing F6 will Windows pick that up or should I just put a IDE drive in and install Windows onto that.
    What are really the correct procedures when booting up for the first time in regards to the Motherboard drivers and the AGP 8 Video drivers, don't I have to install Windows first in this case XP Pro. Also I could not find a SATA drive in the BIOS, I have options for Raid but I don't want Raid.
    Help is badly needed sorry.
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    Whiskeyman Lifetime Subscription

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    In the Bios you would set the system from IDE to RAID. This will allow the SATA drive to be reconized. You should then see that RAID is a boot option. I also think you do need to use a floppy disk to load the SATA/RAID drivers with F6.
     
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    I'm not trying to hijack this thread and the only reason I'm jumping in is because of the nature of your questions regarding partitioning over on the XP forum. Forgive me if I am dumbing this down too much. Pete has done a great job of getting you this far re: up and running and will certainly guide you on through as necessary. My only suggestion is to beg, borrow or steal a floppy drive and install it at least temporarily so you can use your SATA drive for the installation (you'll need it for drivers following the early F6 prompt for manufacturers drivers as mentioned above). The nature of your questions on the XP forum re: partitions and file systems indicates that there is some confusion and if this is the same machine, you would be well advised to keep that IDE drive disconnected during your installlation unless you do an upgrade as was recommended. You should also clean up your W98 problems before proceeding if you opt for the upgrade.

    Not trying to throw a wrench into your machine, just concerned for your well-being based upon a couple of your other posts. I'll step back now.

    ;)
     
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    PeteC

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    I agree with both Wiskeyman and Rockster regarding the floppy drive - the only way I know of loading the SATA drivers, etc without a floppy is to follow a complex process of slipstreaming the drivers into your XP install disk, a process I have never tried.

    This whole business of loading SATA drivers seems to differ between mobo makers - and between different installs of XP onto SATA drives by different people using the same mobo.

    I would hope that the process has been simplified in Vista, but can't comment as my installs of Vista have all been on PATA drives.
     
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    Hi all, and thank you all, I am sorry this has become a bit mixed up here and I appreciate your concerns. First Rockster2U no these are 2 different Machines one the 98SE is a old PC from a colleague at work and the SATA problem is a new PC that I am putting together for myself (I will come back on that as I am still not winning with that)
    Likewise on the Post about XP over 98 I will ask for some guidelines. Heck this sounds all very messy, but be patient please…………
    And yes I did connect a temporary Floppy to the new PC and loaded the Raid drivers onto it there is no other way, but Windows still did not see the SATA drive.
    I then went back and installed a good old PATA drive Seagate 80 Gig and loaded XP onto it without any problems installed the ASUS Motherboard and Gigabyte Video driver, reinstalled the Raid drivers connected the SATA drive but neither Windows or Raid can see the SATA drive Windows Disk Management can not see the drive and the Raid setup states that there is no Serial ATA drive installed. I went and got a new cable hoping this would help but no joy I have installed the Pioneer DVD drive as slave, hoping the SATA drive would jump in as Secondary Master no go also tried the Pioneer as secondary Master the SATA is connected to No.1 Serial ATA connector on the mobo.
    I can not find any reference anywhere in the BIOS regarding Raid. Only User defined drive, but this appears also to relate to IDE drives. I think I am just about ready to try and swap the drive for a good old PATA. If any of you can shed some light on this I would be grateful.
    I will come back to the Post in XP soon.
    And thanks again guys
    Hawk22
     
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    hawk22

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    I forgot to mention the PC runns great on the IDE drive.
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    Some SATA cables that come with the drives are badly made. Make sure it clicked in tightly. The cable connection may be incomplete.
     
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    hawk22

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    I bought a brand spanking new one looks much better than the one that I had, it has the the little Mettal clips on it sits a lot firmer than the ones I used first and yes I made sure that they are firmly seated.
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    Finding info at Asus is almost as bad as MSI. Did you do the following when setting up the SATA drive?

    http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
     
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    Couple of other things to check out. Is your SATA a 150 or a 300 and if its 300, will your mobo accomodate it? If no, can you jumper the drive to set it at 150? Can you have a device on the primary IDE master and the Serial header at the same time. Older DFI boards permitted one or the other but not both and this is an older board with that chipset. Don't have the time to look it up for you but you can do that.

    ;)
     

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