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Speeding up Windows 98 and Computer

Discussion in 'Legacy Windows' started by jordoe28, 2006/03/24.

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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni

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    Your directx installation also seems to be a little shaky. Install directx again to see if the freezing problem goes away (or is it the card - no way to know for sure).
     
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    jordoe28,
    in your initial post you said that "it constantly freezes" but now you say that it happens "only when on the internet ". A difference that make RAM/swapfile less of a culprit. I'll have to think about it but don't hold your breath.

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  4. 2006/03/26
    jordoe28

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    Sorry Christer, I meant to say was that it constantly freezes while on the Internet. However since I did that Graphics change thing, it has become less frequent. I also tried using Mozilla Firefox to see if it was just Internet Explorer that was causing the problems however it froze on Firefox too.

    And thankyou for your suggestions rsinfo, I will definately give them a try. and lol how do you know my directx seems to be a little shaky on my grandpas computer??
     
  5. 2006/03/26
    jordoe28

    jordoe28 Inactive Thread Starter

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    A little off topic, but the computer I have is a Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop, with Soundblaster Live! as my Soundcard, NvidiaGeforce2 as my graphics card, and 256MB Ram running Windows XP.

    Is there a place I can go to check for driver updates, I "ve never done that before. Will it be beneficial?
     
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    Christer

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    Creative for the sound card and NVIDIA for the graphics card or the card manufacturer.

    Christer
     
  7. 2006/03/26
    jordoe28

    jordoe28 Inactive Thread Starter

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    But where do u go on the sites to check for available updates?
     
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    At the Nvidia site click the download drivers button at the top left. At the Creative page, click on support at the top of the page.
     
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    rsinfo

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    Problems with graphics - either a hardware problem or a software problem.
     
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    rsinfo

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    How much of your hard disk is free? Also reduce the size of the internet cache files to something around 10 MB.
     
  11. 2006/03/27
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    Just a couple of thoughts of mine.

    Maybe you should add this cleanup file. Copy the following bold text into Notepad, and Save As "Clean.Bat" into the windows folder. To use, just Restart in Dos Mode, type in CLEAN and press Enter. What it will do is delete the TEMP files in a way not possible while windows is running, when you reboot the deleted folders will be rebuilt clean.
    smartdrv
    deltree /y c:\windows\cookies
    deltree /y c:\windows\history
    deltree /y c:\windows\temp
    deltree /y c:\windows\tempor~1


    While you are at the dos prompt, you could do some maintenance on the registry. Use the commands to optimize and repair the registry.

    scanreg /opt
    scanreg /fix


    The first command will appear to do nothing on the screen. The second command will give you a progress bar. Note, this may appear to hang when it is running, this is normal.

    Add this line to the beginning of your C:\Config.Sys file. If this will be only line, this is fine.

    Dos=High,Umb

    While FILES and BUFFERS won't have much affect, this line allows windows to load some of the Vmm32.Vxd file into the Upper Memory Area, giving you a little bit more free memory elsewhere. Otherwise this Upper Area is unused.

    Does this freezing occur such as when the Sun Java Virtual Machine could be in use? This can gobble memory quickly. Most free internet games are requiring this VM be used.
    Perhaps cleaning out it's cache may help?
    Go to Control Panel\Java. When it opens, click on Delete Files, towards the bottom of the window.
    Note if the freezing occurs when this loads up.

    This system is going to have a swapfile going no matter what. Why not set the mininum size, so this system spends less time creating it, and using it instead.
    Use Notepad to open the C:\Windows\System.Ini file. Add the following line in the [386Enh] section as I have it below.

    [386Enh]
    MinPagingFileSize=131072


    This sets a mininum size of 128 mb {128 x 1024 = 131072}. You could set it for 96mb {98304}, as windows will enlarge the file if it needs to.
     
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    Dell Dimension 8200. I put "Dell Dimension 8200 download" into a Google search and got this:
    http://support.dell.com/support/dow...emID=DIM_PNT_P4_8200&category=0&os=WW1&osl=EN
    Looks like it covers all the hardware you mentioned.

    Like Christer said, don't just install the latest drivers, the latest drivers may not be the best for your hardware. Read carefully about which are recommended for your model. For the Dell, I would definitely use those liked to by Dell, they should be the best for your model/models and should work best in your system.

    Matt
     
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    jordoe28

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    All your suggestions have been extremely helpful in increasing the speed of the computer, so thank you very much! It's just this last part that I'm a little confused on doing.

    How do you open that system file in notepad? I also am confused as to which size I set it to. My computer has 64MB of ram if that helps?
     
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    Christer

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    You don't need to open that file in Notepad. I don't have a Win98 computer running right now but right-click the "My computer" icon on the desktop and choose "Properties ". The right-most Tab should be labeled "Performance" or something like that. Click on it and go to "Virtual memory ". You will find the swapfile settings. Mark the radio button to make your own settings. Set the minimum to 128 MB and leave the maximum unlimited (it will show the same value as free space on the hard disk). When clicking OK you will get a warning but go ahead and restart the computer with the new setting.

    I have not spent much time monitoring Win98 but WinME allocated RAM and swapfile at the same rate. When RAM usage was 128 MB, so was the approximate swapfile utilization and when my 256 MB RAM was all allocated, the swapfile reading was ~256 MB. With less RAM, the behaviour may be different (and Win98 may be different) but a minimum of 128 MB with 64 MB RAM is what I would set it to.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    I was intrigued by the different opinions on suitable RAM size and swapfile size for Win98 so, I did an empirical test and seeing the results ... :eek: ... I wish I never did those tests.

    The results are confusing and are an indicator of two things;

    - Win9X doesn't handle RAM very well;
    - Win9X will use as much RAM as it gets, until it chokes on it.

    I have set a minimum size for the swapfile to 256 MB. I started with 256 MB RAM and got these results (RAM used + swapfile used):

    Win98 started, 125.8 + 48.4 = 174.2 MB
    + Paint + Internet Explorer + Outlook Express, 150.3 + 71.7 = 222.0 MB
    + Access + Excel + FrontPage + PowerPoint + Word, 203.3 + 112.7 = 316.0 MB
    all applications closed again, 160.7 + 53.4 = 214.1 MB

    Now, I reduced RAM from 2x128 MB to 64 MB and I expected total memory usage to be the same but shifted from RAM to the swapfile:

    Win98 started, 63.4 + 45.1 = 108.5 MB (65.7 MB less)
    + Paint + Internet Explorer + Outlook Express, 56.2 + 69.3 = 125.5 MB (96.5 MB less)
    + Access + Excel + FrontPage + PowerPoint + Word, 58.5 + 110.3 = 168.8 MB (147.2 MB less)
    all applications closed again, 50.9 + 50.8 = 101.7 MB (112.4 MB less)

    Anyone else but me who is confused? I got the readings from Norton System Doctor and have attached a document for disbelievers to see!

    It seems like Win98 does a much better job on managing 64 MB RAM than 256 MB RAM. When applications are closed, more RAM as well as more swapfile is released with 64 MB compared to 256 MB.

    When starting, minimizing, maximizing and closing the applications, the system was MUCH more responsive on 256 MB than on 64 MB. I never "used" the applications since there are no documents on that computer (yet).

    Anyway, the 64 MB were maxed out almost all of the time so, I am still of the opinion that Win98 could do better with more RAM than that. It is also obvious that a minimum size (128 MB, at least) for the swapfile is a good idea.

    I also believe that the computer I am working on will put the 256+256 MB to good use when it gets to work with Vector Maps in a flight evaluation application.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    I forgot to mention, if someone wonders what was running from startup, see the attached "msconfig ".

    With one exception, only what Win98 loads itself and what is needed for Norton Internet Security (FW and AV).

    The exception is "EnsoniqMixer" which must have its origine in the sound drivers. If I uncheck it in msconfig, it comes back. If I delete it from the run section in the registry, it comes back.

    Christer
     
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    jordoe28

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    Thank you all for your continued suggestions. Together, they have combined to really speed up, and stop the freezes on the computer. Just last night the family member, who gave the computer to my grandpa, was using it, and she couldn't believe how good it was running. Since Monday, we have not had one freeze up while on the Internet and Pogo. Thankyou .

    One last thing though. On my Dell8200, 256MB RAM computer with XP, should I also change my Swapfile/Virtual Mem settings ? If so to what amount(s)?
     
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    rsinfo

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    A good rule of the thumb is to specify a swapfile = 2 x amount of RAM in the computer. However, I would aim a little higher & make it 3 x amount of RAM. Make the minimum & the maximum same so that in essence it becomes a fixed swapfile.
     
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    I know the phenomenon. I started with a machine similar to this with 128Mb RAM in 2001. I thought increasing the amount of RAM would decrease the size of the swapfile. I now have 512Mb and the swapfile is at 131Mb with only a few internet pages open.

    Someone gave a detailed explanation of how Windows handles memory quite a while ago. I think the outcome was that if Windows has the memory space available it will use it. My slant would be the difference between trying to throw a beachball into a bucket rather than throwing it into a swimming pool. Windows would have to be more careful about setting and shuffling RAM addresses on a small system, with a large system it could put them where it likes and have a lot less trouble accessing them.

    I might add that my system rarely seems to access the HDD unless I call for it, so the swapfile may be holding "in case" data.

    Matt
     
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    Christer

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    Could you, please, list the alterations you have made? Since it is a combination of steps, it would be interesting!

    Windows XP should, during setup, set a pagefile to 1.5-3.0 x RAM which in your case is 384-768 MB. However, does the motherboard have integrated graphics? If so, maybe 32 MB RAM (or more) is allocated to the graphics and only 224 MB available to the system. That would make the pagefile 336-672 MB.

    To check what you've got, right-click on the "My computer" icon on the desktop > Properties > Advanced tab > Performance "settings-button" > Advanced tab > Virtual Memory "change-button ".

    256 MB RAM is on the low side for XP, especially if graphics is integrated. I had 256 MB from the start (with a separate graphics card) but when I added another stick of 256 MB to make it 512 MB, I really noticed a difference.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    Matt,
    other ... :rolleyes: ... vital ... :rolleyes: ... statistics:

    Time to restart the computer;

    - 256 MB, 6 seconds to shut down, 86-91 seconds to restart (NIS initiated)

    - 64 MB, 8 seconds to shut down, 93-98 seconds to restart (NIS initiated)

    There was no difference in free resources, 83 % free with Win98 only started and 48 % free with all applications loaded. Go figure ... :confused: ... !

    Christer
     

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