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BIOS and Boot squence reset option

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by zillah, 2006/02/10.

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  1. 2006/02/10
    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I have got this PC:

    http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-39510

    The BIOS that I have got is :

    BIOS Date: 02/20/02
    BIOS Type: PhoenixBIOS 4.0 Release 6.0 for IBM NetVista. licensed to Intel
    BIOS ID: IBM 6214E8G BIOS Version: 20KT29AUS



    Each PC (At work we have got many) has got two HDs,,,,,,Master (Segate) and Slave (Western Digital) connected to one ribbon cable to IDE0,,,,and CD Rom connected to IDE1.

    When I booted the system there are two option

    Press F1 for setup

    Press F12 for startup Device Menu.


    If I choose F1 for Setup,,,,I have many options,,,,under "Devices" --> "IDE Drives Setup" :

    IDE Drive 0
    IDE Drive 1
    IDE Drive 2
    IDE Drive 3

    IDE Drive 0 and IDE Drive 1, for HDs master and slave respectively,,,,, IDE Drive 2 for CD Rom.

    I divided the fisrt HD (by using cfdisk knoppix CD),,Drive 0 (I have got two HDs as mentioned earlier) to 3 partitions.

    And seond HD,,,Drive 1 to 4 partitions.

    I installed WinXP on the first partition (1/3) of the the fisrt HD and Win2003 on second partition (2/3) of the fisrt HD.

    I installed FC4 on Second HD (with 4 partitions).

    After a long discussion with linux's people , I have been told that there is some thing wrong with order for the boot squence for devices (Two HDs).





    I did test by using Hirens CD V7.2 (Has got heaps of DOS utility) ,,,and I use partition utilities

    1- I used Partition Magic v8,,,,it showed me that the hard disk with four partitions is Drive 1 and the hard disk with 3 partitions is Drive 2.

    2- I System commander v9.01,,,,it showed me that the hard disk with four partitions is Drive 0 and the hard disk with 3 partitions is Drive 1.

    3- I used Ranish partition,,,,it showed me that the hard disk with four partitions is Drive 0 and the hard disk with 3 partitions is Drive 1.

    4- I used Paragon partition manager,,,,it showed me that the hard disk with four partitions is Drive 0 and the hard disk with 3 partitions is Drive 1

    What does that mean ? does the drive 0 mean Master ? or it does mean Slave ? I get confused from this PC,,,,,Drive 0 it should refer to Master,,,Am I right ?

    The point I don't have an option within the BOIS to change the squence for HDs,,,,Is there any option for reset them and let the BOIS scan for them automatically ?

    This is off topic question,,,is there in the forum any email notification for the reply ?
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I connected the primary (IDE0) master to the last connector of the ribbon cable, and the primary (IDE0) slave HD to the middle connector.
     
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  4. 2006/02/11
    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Any help or comment ?
     
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    Yes - below the Reply message pane - the blank box you see when replying, ensure that Notification Type is set to 'Instant email notification'.
    Drive 0 is the first hard drive, drive 1 the second and so on. If, in XP you right click My Computer > Manage > Disk Management you will see your hard disks and any partitions they may contain laid out.
    This seems to be a Linux problem rather than a Windows one. I cannot comment on multi boot systems running Linux on one of the partitions - simply because I am not familiar with Linux :)

    I guess you may need to run a third party boot manager - how about Boot Magic as you have PM 8?

    What exactly is your problem - are you unable to select which OS to boot?
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Does it necessary Drive 0 to be master or it can be slave ?


    I will answer this later,,,could you please first clarify my confusion
     
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    If you are using PATA drives (standard IDE drives) Drive 0 would generally be the Master. The situation is different if you are usig SATA (serial ATA) drives as there is no distinction between Master and Slave. On my computer with 1 x PATA drive (0) and 2 x SATA drives (1 & 3) the OS is on Drive 1 (SATA).
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    What you mean by bolded phrase ?

    That is fine, this is what I beleive and what I did.


    What I did
    PC has got two HDs (each HD is 40 GB)

    1- Master (Segate) I checked the jumber, and I connected it to the last connector of the ribbon cable.

    2- Slave (Western Digital) I checked the jumber, and I connected it to the middle connector of the ribbon cable.

    3- Ribbon cable is connected to IDE0

    Am I doing the right thing?
     
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    I have 1 Parallel ATA drive fitted which is Drive 0 in disk Management and 2 Serial ATA drives which are drives 1 & 2 (1 & 3 was a typo) in Disk Management.
    Yes
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Then what I did :

    1- I restarted the PC by using Knoppix CD or WinXP (I forgot which one I have used)

    2- I partitioned the Segate HD (Master or Drive 0) to 3 partitions.

    3- I partitioned the Western Digital HD (Slave or Drive 1) to 4 partitions.

    4- Now I can distiguish between master and slave from the number of partitions on each HD, not from the size ,because the size are almost identical.

    5- I installed Winodws XP and 2003 on first HD (Segate or Master)

    6- Leave the linux aside,,,,now when when I used all the utilitis that I listed above ,,,why does it show me that the Master HD (Segate) is Drive 1 (be aware I can eaisly distinguish between both HDs form number of partitions),,,,it suppose to show me that this HD is Drive 0 ,,,,am I right ?
     
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    I don't think it matters whether or not the Master drive is seen as drive 1 or 0 providing that the computer boots. Had you set up the Seagate and installed the OS's with the WD disconnected it would certainly have been set as Disk 0.

    I will seek a second opinion on this.
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    This is what I used to beleive, but then I was in trouble,,,I installed the Linux on second hard disk (WD or Drive 1) I chose to install GRUB bootloader for linux into MBR (MBR suppose to be in the fisrt sector of Segate or Master or Drive 0),,,,but I ended up without abling to boot winodws nor linux.

    Then the linux people prooved to me that I installed windows on second hard disk not first hard disk,,,and linux on first hard disk not second,,,,can you imagine that ?


    No.
     
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    PeteC

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    I have PM'd another BBS member for a view, but as he is in Australia a reply may take a while.
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I hope now you get what is my point.


    Now you get what is my point,,,I am not looking for linux issue.


    Thanks for your help.




    This is part of my thread with linux peopel:
    http://forums.techguy.org/unix-linux/433726-two-hard-disks-grub-location-dev-hdb6-2.html

    "Every PC must allow you to arrange the booting queue, say floppy is the 1st, ollowed by CD drive and then the hard disks.

    Within the hard disks one can nominate any one to be the 1st bootable disk. That is why Linux can be boot from USB devices including external hard disks.

    Only old mobo disallowing the slave from booting ahead of a master disk. Let's us this is your case and open up the box to swap the cable connections of hda and hdb is not preferred ".
     
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    PeteC

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    Generally done in BIOS.

    A suggestion to reorder the boot order ....

    Disconnect the WD drive - reboot. The Seagate drive should then be drive 0

    Shut down and reconnect the WD drive - reboot. The WD drive should then show up as drive 1.
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    This what I did also before posting my thread here,,,:

    1- I did this after installing both Windows and Linux Fc4.

    2- I remove (unpluh cable) the HD slave (WD) physically, then I found in the BOIS only Drive 0

    3- I plugged the slave HD (WD), I checked the BOIS , I found Drive 1

    4- I did the above test after installing both OSs.

    5- I had repeated the installations for both OSstwice .
     
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  17. 2006/02/12
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    What I did today:

    [SIZE= "3"]Remove Salve HD and Leave Master intact[/SIZE]
    1- Press F1 for Setup

    2- I have many options,,,,under "Devices" --> "IDE Drives Setup" :

    IDE Drive 0
    IDE Drive 1
    IDE Drive 2
    IDE Drive 3

    3- Highlight Drive 0 and press "Enter "
    Maximum Capacity:40016 MB
    IDE Performance :[High Performance]
    IDE Prefetch : [Enabled]

    4- Highlight Drive 1 and press "Enter "
    Maximum Capacity:40021 MB --------is removed
    IDE Performance :[High Performance]
    IDE Prefetch : [Enabled]







    [SIZE= "3"]Remove Master HD and leave Slave intact[/SIZE]

    1- Press F1 for Setup

    2- I have many options,,,,under "Devices" --> "IDE Drives Setup" :

    IDE Drive 0
    IDE Drive 1
    IDE Drive 2
    IDE Drive 3

    3- Highlight Drive 0 and press "Enter "
    Maximum Capacity:40016 MB --------is removed
    IDE Performance :[High Performance]
    IDE Prefetch : [Enabled]

    4- Highlight Drive 1 and press "Enter "
    Maximum Capacity:40021 MB --------is removed
    IDE Performance :[High Performance]
    IDE Prefetch : [Enabled]
     
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  18. 2006/02/12
    PeteC

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    What do you mean by 'is removed'?

    I have a gut feeling that your problems may well be caused by creating the partitions using cfdisk knoppix of which I know nothing - it is a Linux tool.
     
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    zillah

    zillah Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    This option is exsit if there is hard disk, if there is no hard disk we can not find that option.


    As far as I remember ( but not sure) that for the first hard disk I have not used this utility, I used normal winXP
     
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    PeteC

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    So the BIOS is not seeing the slave?
     
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  21. 2006/02/12
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    Investigate the partitioning of the drives. It is possible to partition a second HDD as an extended partition of the first HDD, but when you swap the drives the partition information becomes scrammbled. If so, you will need to repartition both drives (although a partition manager may be able to sort it out or you may possibly only need to repatition the second HDD). Partition each drive separately (remove one while you partition the other). A partition that has an operating system also needs to be set as "active" for the OS to work.

    From what I see it seems to be a partitioning problem.

    Matt
     
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