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Round IDE Cables

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by James Martin, 2005/12/02.

  1. 2005/12/02
    James Martin

    James Martin Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi All,

    Has anyone noticed an increase in computer performance since switching to the round IDE cables? I was reading a comment on Circuit City's web site about the Antec Cobra A26 ATA-133 IDE Cable, and the buyer said that his computer used to freeze up until he bought this particular cable.....Now it runs much smoother.

    I might buy one myself, but I wanted to hear if there were any other opinions about it/them before I commit.
     
  2. 2005/12/03
    PeteC

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    I've not used a round IDE cable, but this sounds like a 'red herring' IMO....
    More likely the existing flat cable was faulty or not seated properly.

    My 2 cents worth :)
     

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    Christer

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    The flat 80-conductor cables have a grounded wire between each live wire to shield from noise. A round cable is a flat one being rolled up. This should negate the shielding effects of the grounded wires and if anything, make them worse. If a user changes to round cables and get repeated read errors, the culprit is clear.

    I use round cables and have noticed no difference whatsoever in terms of performance. My Hitachi 7K250's run OK.

    The thing is that ATA100 drives do not reach the limit, the transfer rates of the 7K250's is something like 75-80 MBps. Connecting an ATA133 which is actually capable of 133 MBps, may be a different story and that would not be in favour of rounded cables.

    My vote is like Pete's > a red herring!

    Christer
     
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    McTavish

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    The point of round cables is to allow better airflow through the case. So it could be possible that slightly better airflow could help heat related problems in a system that was on the edge.
     
  6. 2005/12/03
    James Martin

    James Martin Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Ok, thanks guys.

    It sounds like the flat 80-conductor cables would be a better buy. Is that what the vendors are shipping now when you purchase a new hard drive?
     
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    PeteC

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    Can't answer that, James - I always buy bare (OEM) drives which come with no accessories.
     
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    James Martin

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    Hi Pete,

    I didn't know that drives could be purchased that way.....Sounds a little risky not having a warranty.
     
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    PeteC

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    No risk - full warranty :)
     
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    James Martin

    James Martin Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I must have clicked on the wrong Google link then.
     
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    Christer

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    I hope you didn't draw that conclusion based on my post. To clarify, I have had no problems whatsoever and will use rounded cables until I run into problems.

    Recommended maximum length for an IDE cable is 18" (45cm). I choose to use 24" length (60cm) to be able to position the drives more freely (and not put unnecessary strain on the connectors). They are available up to 36" (90cm) length. I believe that the longer the cable is, the higher is the probability of trouble.

    I use cables that are longer (but not the longest) than the recommendation and have no problems.

    Christer
     
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    Scott Smith

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    Went to SATA and never looked back. :) :D :p
     
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    Scott Smith,

    SATA is fine as an individual drive, or adding one to an ATA drive; it's definitely not as simple as ATA when adding a ATA to a SATA, or adding a SATA to another SATA.

    Been playing with several drives on my multiboot setup (two OS on two part's. on the same drive) and always seem to need recovery console to get multiple drives booting again when the SATA originally booted. Often have had to do a repair install, when adding an IDE to a SATA, to get things going. The hangup seems to be with the BIOS wanting to make an IDE the boot drive, or not knowing what to boot in the case of SATAs.

    Not an insurmountable problem, but more time consuming than the old ATAs.

    I certainly like the small SATA cables, but really haven't had any problem with the ribbon cables we've used for years.
     
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    Chiles4

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    AFAIK, hard drives don't come with cables. They come with the mainboard and they always come with flat cables. The reason for that is that a standard flat ribbon cable is much cheaper than a round one and a mainboard vendor can simply "qualify" a cable and ship it with all of their mainboards.

    I think the quote about round cables "saving" some guy's system is hogwash.

    I haven't used flat cables in about 4-5 years. Round cables are extremely convenient and you can buy them in lengths are suitable to your needs. For floppies, I buy a short single connector cable that works perfectly. No more folding and stuffing flat cables into weird places to keep them out of the way.

    Best of all, they look quite cool! :cool:

    Gary
     
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    James Martin

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    I bought a 60g Maxtor last year that included a ribbon cable, screws, and software......Diamond Max I think it was.
     
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    PeteC

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    OEM drives generally bare - just the drive

    Retail boxed come with all the goodies.
     
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    Chiles4

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    You beat me to the 'post' button, Pete. I've never bought a retail drive in all my years of tinkering. If someone told me that they come with blow-up dolls, I might have to believe them. :D
     
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    James Martin

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    I just recieved 2 floppy drives from Newegg.com and they were bare bone drives too.....No screws, cable, nothing but the unit itself.

    I didn't know that they would ship that way though. :rolleyes:
     
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    James Martin

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    Is you Mobo configured for sata drives, or did you have to add adapter cards to the ata HD's?
     
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    Chiles4

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    Over the years you accumulate quite a number of the screws and cables, etc. IMHO, it would be a waste of money to spend $33 on a retail floppy drive vs. a $9 OEM one.

    I've gone OEM on a bunch of components over the years (drives, cpus, optical drives, even video cards - sometimes) and it's worked out very well and has saved me a bunch of money.

    I've never seen an OEM mainboard and for expensive video cards I'd go retail to get the warranty - which is sometimes not supported by the mfr. anyway.

    Gary
     
  21. 2005/12/09
    James Martin

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    I agree. I really only needed one new ribbon cable for a friends HP pc that came without the floppy drive (floppys are getting scarce on new pc's anymore). Luckily, I found a used one for a dollar at the local pc repair place close by.
     

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