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False Dual Boot Option During POST

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by skaler2k, 2005/10/01.

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    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I formatted the HD on a Dell Latitude D600 laptop which had an installation of Win XP PRO. I then installed my own Win XP pro, but now, after the Dell BIOS post, but before the Win XP LOGO, I get two lines of "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" with the option of using the up and down arrow keys to move the highlight to my choice and pressing enter to choose. There is a timer that counts down from 25 or 30 seconds, I think, which will automatically boot into my installation. If I choose the second instance of windows XP pro, I get a message that states: "Windows could not start because of a computer disk hardware configuration problem. Could not read from the selected boot disk. Check boot path and disk hardware. Please check the Windows documentation......for additional information ".
    I know there is only one instance of Windows on the drive.
    How can I get rid of this intervening page? By pressing enter, I can avoid the 25 second ,or so, wait, but I would like to get rid of this unnecessary step altogether.
    Thanks.
     
  2. 2005/10/02
    PeteC

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    You can overcome this by editing the boot.ini, but the safest way which avoids any mistakes which may render the computer unbootable is as follows ....

    Right Click My Computer > Properties > Advanced tab > Start up and Recovery > Settings ....

    Set the 'Time to display operating systems' to 1 or 2 seconds. The menu from which to select the operating system will still appear on boot, but only for the 1 or 2 seconds set and you will scarcely notice it. It will boot by default into your new OS after that time.

    While you are in that dialogue box uncheck 'Automatically restart' under System failure - if the computer does crash it will stop at the blue screen and the information there is useful in sorting the problem.
     

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    Christer

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    This situation occurs when a different operating system has been installed prior to WinXP. As You have noticed, even a different version of WinXP will produce this result. During the initial stages of instalation, WinXP scans the Master Boot Record for other installed operating systems and automatically creates a multiboot if one is present.

    Formating during the installation is not enough to get a clean installation and deleting the partitions and recreating them from the WinXP CD does not clear the MBR. WinXP believes that there is another operating system and creates the multiboot.

    A utility, DELPART, does clear the MBR. It is a DOS utility and very powerful. Use it with caution and when the final question appears: "are you sure?" then you really have to be sure because there is no way back. I usually disconnect all other hard disks to be certain not to make a mistake.

    Christer
     
  5. 2005/10/02
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    False MultiBoot on POST

    Thanks PeteC and Christer. I'll probably go with PeteC's suggestion and set the display time to a second or two.
    A question about the DELPART utility. Is it able to just delete the MBR and leave the operating system intact, or will I have to start the installation from scratch again, format, install, etc.?
    Thanks again,
    Vic
     
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    PeteC

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    No - and without an MBR the PC will not boot. Delpart destroys the partition - everything.

    If you are not happy with my 'safe' solution you could alternatively edit the boot.ini.

    Post a copy here if you like.
     
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    I have to agree in part with both of you; although christers suggestion more deals with doing a clean install and while deleting and creating new partitions does not wipe the MBR, installing windows XP will rebuild it based on the detected operating systems and will be reflected in the boot.ini file created. So if there are other copies of windows still installed, it will find them and include them even if they are non bootable due to prior damage.

    But since he has windows installed, apparrantly as a parrallel install PeteC's advice is going to be safest.
    Either adjust the time displayed so it does not bother you , or post the boot.ini file so that someone can tell you what to edit. Once we have identified what folder it installed the new copy to and what one the old one is in and appropriate editing of the boot.ini; we can also tell you what folder to delete to clean up space.
     
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    oshwyn5

    Please present your evidence for this astounding statement.

    No. The disk was formatted, effectively removing the previous installation. Are you implying that you think there are two disks and the wrong one was formatted?

    Strange.
     
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    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi PeteC. I think I can live with a one or two second delay, and will do that.
    Thanks to one and all for your attention and input.
    Vic
     
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    PeteC

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    OK, Vic - better safe than sorry :)
     
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    Christer

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    oshwyn5,

    Nothing wrong in doing what PeteC suggests to treat the symptom but it doesn't cure the disease. My post was to explain why it happened so it can be avoided in the future.

    Doesn't the XP installer read the MBR before rebuilding it? That would be the only way for XP-pro to detect the previous XP-home in the situation below!

    sparrow,

    Your request was directed to oshwyn5 but I agree with him and give my reason(s) below. I don't know if You consider this "evidence" but it is at least extremely circumstancial:

    My experience is based on the following and has been confirmed a few times since then:

    I was asked to fix a totally messed up HP Pavilion. It had two partitions, C: HP recovery partition and D: system partition. I suggested buying a retail copy of WinXP and blow the factory installation into cyber orbit. The owner agreed. The Pavilion originally had XP-home but the owner bought retail XP-pro. During the installation of XP-pro, I deleted all partitions and created a new system partition. The balance was planned to be partitioned from within XP Disk Management. It is 100% certain that XP-home had been removed when XP-pro went on. I was greeted by a multiboot screen XP-home/XP-pro. At that time, I didn't know about the possibility to edit boot.ini so I started over and used DELPART which is positively said to clear/rebuild the MBR. Continued to install XP-pro and when finished, no multiboot screen.

    If doing a clean reinstallation, using the same XP-CD as before will not produce a multiboot screen, no need to use DELPART.

    Christer
     
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    PeteC

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    My recent experience here ....

    My install of Windows Vista fouled up after a while (sorry - cannot give details :)) and I formatted the partition through Disk Management and re-installed it - the boot menu (I triple boot) then contained two instances of Longhorn (Vista) plus XP Pro and XP Pro x64. Would you consider this to be a clean install using the same CD?

    The install fouled up again after a while and this time I re-installed Vista 'over the top' and the existing install was moved to a holding folder - Windows Old and the boot menu remained the same.
     
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    Christer

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    PeteC,
    was Longhorn a download which You transfered to CD or a CD that was mailed to you? (Just interested ...... :p ......)

    It would seem like a clean install using the same CD but you didn't get the same result as I did. I have installed XP twice on this computer, using the same CD and I did not get the multiboot (did not use DELPART).

    I don't know what happens if a different CD containing the same operating system is used the second time.

    ...... :confused: ...... Christer ...... :confused: ......
     
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    PeteC

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    Hi Christer

    All the installs of Longhorn were from a CD made from a disk image which I downloaded from MS.
     
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    sparrow

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    Christer, PeteC,

    Seems that XP install leaves something to be desired. (Read 'you may have found a bug in the NTFS') Assuming it couldn't happen in FAT file system.

    The standard for wiping the MBR for as long as I remember is partitioning. Although, when in doubt I'd install a foreign file system like Ext2 to really do the job for certain.

    I've used install recently in playing musical disks with my new XP64&2K computer (had ata, then an ata and a sata, then removed the ata, then added a second sata). Great fun:( . Had to reinstall each time, in spite of many attempts at fixing, including repeated use of restore console! Didn't keep notes, however, and memory of details kinda runs together. No problem like this though; one install, one line in boot.ini, two installs (2k and XP) both in boot.ini; I know 'cause. it was constantly being deleted and restored (all you can do in RS), and once in a while edited. 'Course it was all FAT32 so I could look at what was going on. :D It wouldn't boot after each modification.

    Sorry, meant one OS in boot.ini, not one line :D.
     
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    One other thing to mention: was using ghost to see what that would accomplish and found that in all these situations it was useless. :( Tried imaging the disk and also the partitions (at separate times).
     
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    PeteC

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    Sparrow
    Digging deeper :) ....
    From ....

    FDISK /MBR rewrites the Master Boot Record
     
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    PeteC

    Thought a clean install should include deleting and remaking partitions to eliminate possibility of carrying over malware that can hide in the system areas. Have seen that happen in FAT32 with format alone. However, NTFS may differ; have insufficient experience. But some info was carried over even with partitioning in your cases. Think that's bad. Then only installing a foreign OS (or a low level format) would completely clean the disk.
     
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    PeteC

    Thanks for the reference. Points out that we're talking about more than the mbr; the partition tables, not the mbr, are the likely culprits to carry false information foreword. They're both included in "system area ", which is unaffected by format..

    Edit:
    That's different from what I learned, that the partition table(s) were in the next sectors, separate from the mbr. If they're part of the mbr, it must always be written to by fdisk. Is somebody besides me confused?

    At the least, or most, nothing about multiple OSs is done by the mbr, it only points to the one bootable (active?) partition. Suppose the multiboot code on that partition must then redirect the pointer to the desired boot partition.
     
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    PeteC

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    Although it would be possible to delete and remake partitions when you are installing a second or third OS onto an existing drive it is not very practical and probably not worthwhile and the alternative of starting over from scratch is not very attractive. My install of Vista was a 'clean' install into an existing partition, not a newly created partition- 1 of 8 partitions on the drive. The existing data was copied elsewhere and the partition formatted NTFS - the whole drive is NTFS and has been so from day 1. The system area of the drive was not touched.

    As we all know FAT32 and NTFS are basically just different filing systems - whether there is more to it than that I really don't know. In any case the MBR must have been modified to include Vista.
     
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    Interesting discussion. :D

    I certainly don't delete and remake partitions to reinstall unless something bad is suspected. I didn't at any time on my new box; it hasn't been on the web, yet. Suppose 'clean install' may be a relative term.

    Certainly true if it includes partition info; it's that that XP found, wherever it was. But wonder what modified it; thought you just formated and reinstalled? Maybe the install program didn't see the old entry and added another? That would be a bug, too, but in a more likely place.
     

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