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Boot from ATPI CD Rom failure

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by NorthernJoy, 2005/08/01.

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  1. 2005/08/03
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff

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    That is not 'normal' and I side with Matt on this. I assume they are recognised in Windows Explorer with/without a CD on board?

    Glad to hear you got the rest sorted out :)
     
  2. 2005/08/04
    NorthernJoy

    NorthernJoy Inactive Thread Starter

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    Greetings all,

    Yes Pete ... Explorer has no problem seeing both optical drives. In fact, I loaded Windows XP Home onto the new master drive using the CD ROM. My computer is about 4.5 years old and there is a good chance that the BIOS needs updating. I have looked at the manufacturer's site and ran for fear I would pick the wrong update. Not sure why they can't make it simpler to find the right file.

    I'll take a look at the CD cables also as soon as I get this system back up and settled in. This is excellent feedback and I'll let you know if I run into any issues. Thank you Mattman.

    I just discovered that I did a stupid stupid thing when I installed Windows XP Home on the new master drive. First of all, I found out after the fact that I needed to install something to make Windows recognize that it was a 200 gig drive. So it only shows 118 gig. I work with my daughter (she's a singer/song writer) and was looking forward to having ample space for complete sound tracks to work on for her not to mention all the web designing that I do. But I can live with the 118 gig if necessary.

    But here's the problem. When I set up the partition for the OS, I thought "I have been operating on a 12.6 gig hard drive. Granted, it was constipated, but all my non-Microsoft programs and data would be going on the second partition ". So I merrily set up the OS partition for 10 gig.

    Also, I had mentioned earler that I was wondering if I should install Office XP and Front Page 2003 on the OS drive since it's such complex programming. Charles agreed. My Office XP disk includes FrontPage and I installed it. I also have more recent FrontPage 2003 and installed it thinking that it would just update the older version, but noooooooo. The Add and Remove shows two programs installed totalling 505 MB. But still, that's only 1/2 gig.

    I happened looked at the C: drive/OS partition this evening. With all the Windows and Office updates, Office and FrontPage files, Norton AntiVirus (76.76 MB combined), .NET Framework 1.1 (36.15 MB) and Microsoft AntiSpyware (15.55 MB), my cookies, favorites and email files (which are admitedly not small) I show the following:

    Capacity: 9.76 GB
    Used Space: 6.29 gig
    Free Space: 3.46

    I am right back where I started from with only a third of the C: drive free. Someone shoot me! lol It's not like I couldn't have made it 20 gig! :mad:

    Can I ...

    (a) enlarge the partition without messing up what has been a clean transition?
    (b) just uninstall the programs and move them to the D: drive? What needs to be left behind?
    (c) format and start over?

    And what if I find out how to get the balance of the 200 gig space? Will that become part of the D: partition? (please say yes lol)

    Feeling more stupid by the minute ... but getting a good laugh at myself.

    Joy

    P.S. After thought ... am I off on a new tangent and need to move this to another area of the forum? *lowering head and shuffling feet* Please just let me know and I will edit it and start a new post.
     

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  4. 2005/08/04
    PeteC

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    Hi Joy

    No cause to be alarmed ....
    Just over a third of the drive is free - that's fine and Windows will run happily as it is. Just be sure to store all your data on the second partition.
    Yes, but you will need third party software like Partition Magic.
    You could, but I see no need. You might like to get rid of one of the copies of FrontPage to avoid possible conflicts and free up some disk space - which will keep you happy :) Add/Remove Programs > Office XP > Change/Remove > Add/Remove Components and get rid of that version of FrontPage. It should not impact on the installation of FrontPage 2003, but be prepared to reinstall rhat if necessary.
    Hardly necessary - unless you feel more comfortable in your mind doing that.
    I don't have the answer to the missing Gb at my fingertips and will need to research that. More than likely a BIOS thing as Windows recognises far bigger drives. When the free space is recovered it may well be as unallocated space which can be made into a partition. No necessity for it to be part of D: and no hassle if it's not - see the screen shot I posted - I have 15 partitions assigned to various storage requirements.

    Incidentally if you look in Disk Management does any unallocated space show up on the D: drive?
     
  5. 2005/08/04
    PeteC

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    Some info on the 'missing' GB on your 200Gb drive .....

    How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk drives in Windows XP
    First question - are you running SP1 or later - this is required. If the answer to this is 'Yes' then you may need a BIOS update.

    If you would like to post the make and model no. of the Motherboard I will try and sort out the BIOS for you.

    If you are not sure of the motherboard details download Everest (freeware) an d look for details under Motherboard.
     
  6. 2005/08/04
    mattman

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    What was it?...possibly that you need SP1 installed to read over 128GB.

    Errr, just saw PeteC's last response...too late.

    [Aside] Pete, glad you can decipher my "shorthand" (reread my response) :D

    If the drive needs to be reformatted...try using the utilities from the harddrive manufacturer's website. I would only get a "Partition Manger" if you could not afford to lose the current data.

    NJ, please describe the problem in more detail! :D ................. :D

    Matt
     
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    NorthernJoy

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    I should mention that I may be coming from some antiquated input. First, it is my understanding that for Windows to operate most efficiently, the drive should not be more than half full. This may explain why I was kicking myself so hard last night. Secondly, I have had a bad experience with partitioning that has me very leary with my "MissAllaneous" knowledge of Windows. Partition Magic was used to resolve the problems and I lost everything on the drive. Last, but certainly not least, my limited financial resources force me to be resourceful. So it's "old dog new tricks" syndrome time. Again, I thank you all so much for your patience! :)

    Done. It appears that the FrontPage 2003 automatically removed the earlier version because it is Xed out.

    I am running SP2

    The following is from Everest (what a handy program!)

    Award BIOS Type Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
    Award BIOS Message TYAN S1854 Trinity 400 Rev. 1.07
    System BIOS Date 04/17/00
    Video BIOS Date 98/05/25
    Suggestion Are you looking for a BIOS Upgrade? Contact eSupport Today!
    Suggestion System BIOS is more than 2 years old. Update it if necessary.

    I looked at the eSupport site. It seemed to be a safe way to flash the BIOS, but could not find any reference to what the fee would be.

    Master Disk:
    C: Operating System 9.77GB NTFS
    D: Data and Programs 118.22GB NTFS
    58.32 GB unallocated

    Now wait ... that's 186.31GB total. I had assumed (yes, I know better) that D: would be the balance of the drive. So we have gotten very close to the 200 GB. How do I utilize that 58.323GB unallocated space?

    NOTE: I have a copy of Partition Magic Pro v6.01

    I checked and I have v5.1.2600.2180 of the Atapi.sys file in my %systemroot%\system32\drivers folder. The minimum required version was 5.1.2600.1135.

    (Is that enough detail for you Mattman? :D )

    Thanks fellas :)

    Joy
     
  8. 2005/08/04
    PeteC

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    Right click on it in Disk Management > Make Partition > Accept the max figure > OK. You may have to format it - it's been awhile since I did this.

    You should then have a 50 ish GB partition (some space is taken up with the file system) with the drive letter F. In view of your past experiences with PM just live with that - it's no great hassle :)

    I need the motherboard details from Everest, in addition to the BIOS details, please.
    An old wives tale :D - time to start getting concerned is at ~20% free space.
    As close as you're going to get - my 200Gb Maxtor has a usable capacity of 189 GB - as I mentioned the balance is taken up with the file system plus the fact that the manufacturers tend to use 1 GB = 1000 MB whereas a gigabyte is actually 2 to the 30th power, or 1,073,741,824 bytes or 1074 Mb.
     
  9. 2005/08/04
    NorthernJoy

    NorthernJoy Inactive Thread Starter

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    I got me a new 58.32 gig partition all formatted and ready to go! I can't believe that went so smooth! *doing a happy dance* Thank you!

    Motherboard Properties
    Motherboard Name Tyan S1854(-A) Trinity 400

    Front Side Bus Properties
    Bus Type Intel GTL+
    Bus Width 64-bit
    Real Clock 133 MHz
    Effective Clock 133 MHz
    Bandwidth 1067 MB/s

    Memory Bus Properties
    Bus Type SDR SDRAM
    Bus Width 64-bit
    Real Clock 100 MHz
    Effective Clock 100 MHz
    Bandwidth 800 MB/s

    Chipset Bus Properties
    Bus Type PCI
    Bus Width 32-bit
    Real Clock 33 MHz
    Effective Clock 33 MHz
    Bandwidth 133 MB/s

    Motherboard Physical Info
    CPU Sockets/Slots 1
    Expansion Slots 6 PCI, 1 AGP
    RAM Slots 3 DIMM
    Form Factor ATX
    Motherboard Size 210 mm x 300 mm
    Motherboard Chipset ApolloPro133A

    Motherboard Manufacturer
    Company Name Tyan Computer Corporation
    Product Information http://www.tyan.com/products/html/systemboards.html
    BIOS Download http://www.tyan.com/support/html/bios_support.html
     
  10. 2005/08/05
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff

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    The BIOS updates available for your board are listed here ....

    http://www.tyan.com/support/html/b_s1854.html

    However, as your systen BIOS (from Everest) is dated 04/17/00 and the only later BIOS is dated 5/11/00 and has only the following changes/updates ....

    I would not recommend updating.
     
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