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Ghost 2003, bad backup?

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  1. 2005/05/09
    fer_rios25

    fer_rios25 Inactive Thread Starter

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    Ok, so yesterday I was messing around with my partitions and such, I knew it was pretty dangerous, do I decided to back up my 200gig (only 40 gig used) hard drive. I was acting carelessly because after all I had all my data backed up. I overwrote over all my data on the hd, but there was no worries because I had my data backed up, right? WRONG!!! When I tried to restore from the cd's everything went smoothly. ( I erased only my hard drive for extra storage, my hd with the system files is intact) Ok, so once Ghost was completely done with restoring my hd, It restarted the computer. I go into windows and open My computer. One of my hard drives is not there! (my c: drive is primary, and the f: drive that i need to restore is my slave) Ok, so I try it again, and again, and again, and every time, the drive disappears on startup. I don't know whats wrong. I hope there's someone out there that can help. I know I don't give much info about my system, but imagine loosing over 40 Gigs of personal data!

    Compaq presario 5000
    750 MHz AMD Duron
    Windows XP Home
    Ghost 2003
    Partition Magic 8.0
     
  2. 2005/05/10
    Christer

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    What type of image did You create?

    Disk to Image or Partition to Image?

    Where did it go, a different partition, different harddisk or CD/DVD?

    Did You do an integrity check of the image? If not, albeit too late, do it now to rule out image corruption!

    Is the 200 giger internal or USB?

    Does the harddisk (the one that is missing in Windows Explorer) show up in Disk Manager? If so, try assigning a drive letter to it.

    (In Windows Explorer, I assume that D: and E: are optical drives, right? I always assign drive letters at the far end of the alphabet to get them out of the way of added harddisks and/or partitions. Mine are X: and Y: respectively and the harddisks and partitions are all in one sequence, C: D: E: F: G:.)

    Have You tried disconnecting the 200 giger (power and data cables), restart the computer and shut down again to reconnect the 200 giger?

    We need more specifics,
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  4. 2005/05/11
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    Christer: I'm glad you're helping me, it seems you know what you're doing. Here are the answers to your questions, I hope they can help you...

    1. I'm pretty sure the image was disk to image, since I had only one partition. I guess that was my first mistake, since I think should've made at least two partitios to begin with...

    2. I went to cd/dvd. I'm pretty sure of that. The thing that caught my attention was that to back up the 40 gigs of data, only 2 regular cds were used. :confused:

    3. I wish I would've known about integrity check. I would do it, but I don't know how... more info?

    4. The 200 giger is internat, placed as a slave.

    5. Ok, here's the thing on this one. I've tried it over and over and this is what I do:

    *I partition the drive with partition magic (I make sure it is visible in my computer, and that I can place files and delete them)
    *I restart, then open up ghost and try for the hundreth time to restore.
    *Go throught the restore wizard and computer reboots to the DOS ghost. then it is done and reboots.
    *I go into my computer and the drive (f) is not there or anywhere, only my c: drive.


    6. Yes, D and E are optical drives. Might take your advice in my next major disk failure. I now have repartitioned my 200 giger in the following manner:

    f:
    3 gigs of Linux swap file
    11 gigs for the actual Linux system
    the rest is for hopefully getting my files back :(

    c: is a different hard drive, with windows system files, along with program files

    Hope this information can help you help me. I'm sorry for my ignorance with ghost, but I had never used it before.
     
  5. 2005/05/11
    Christer

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    Well, let's hope that You're glad when this is over ...... ;) ...... !



    1. I'm pretty sure the image was disk to image, since I had only one partition. I guess that was my first mistake, since I think should've made at least two partitios to begin with...

    You're using Partition Magic to add/remove/resize partitions. I have heard of situations like this when Ghost doesn't perform well after changes have been made using PM. Now that it is no longer Powerquest but Symantec, PM should work with Ghost ...... :confused: ...... ! I can't say for sure that this is the cause but it may be.

    2. I went to cd/dvd. I'm pretty sure of that. The thing that caught my attention was that to back up the 40 gigs of data, only 2 regular cds were used. :confused:

    That's not a good sign. I have never created an image directly to CD/DVD but there is no way 40 GB fits on 2x700 MB, not even with maximum compression. I create my images to a different partition (on a second HDD) but split the images to 650 MB chunks in order to have the option to burn to CDs if the need should arise.

    3. I wish I would've known about integrity check. I would do it, but I don't know how... more info?

    If You run Ghost from Ghost Boot Disks, there is an option in the dropdown menu: Local > Check > Image File. If You run Ghost from within Windows: Ghost Advanced > Image Integrity Check. I recommend to always do the check but even if You do ...... :eek: ...... on very rare occasions, it doesn't work. There is always a tiny piece of risk involved in imaging.

    4. The 200 giger is internat, placed as a slave.

    OK, we have ruled out an USB identification issue.

    5. Ok, here's the thing on this one. I've tried it over and over and this is what I do:

    *I partition the drive with partition magic (I make sure it is visible in my computer, and that I can place files and delete them)
    *I restart, then open up ghost and try for the hundreth time to restore.
    *Go throught the restore wizard and computer reboots to the DOS ghost. then it is done and reboots.
    *I go into my computer and the drive (f) is not there or anywhere, only my c: drive.

    I don't use PM myself, simply because I have heard/read about quite a lot of problems. The thing is, whatever You do with PM, restoring that image, Image to Disk, will change the whole disk back to the condition it was in when the image was created.

    6. Yes, D and E are optical drives. Might take your advice in my next major disk failure. I now have repartitioned my 200 giger in the following manner:

    f:
    3 gigs of Linux swap file
    11 gigs for the actual Linux system
    the rest is for hopefully getting my files back :(

    You lost me here! I count that as three partitions, F: G: H: and not F: alone.

    c: is a different hard drive, with windows system files, along with program files

    I'm not sure about this since I always create Partition to Image and restore Partition from Image of the system partition. I never image data partitions, I use other software to backup data. Anyway, I don't think that it's possible to restore an image of a disk to a partition and as I understand it, that is what You are attempting.

    Hope this information can help you help me. I'm sorry for my ignorance with ghost, but I had never used it before.

    Start by doing the check of the image file. Cross Your fingers (and toes) and hope that You have something to work with.



    Christer

    By the way, the links in my signature will be of interest to You!
     
  6. 2005/05/11
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    fer_rios25 Inactive Thread Starter

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    You're using Partition Magic to add/remove/resize partitions. I have heard of situations like this when Ghost doesn't perform well after changes have been made using PM. Now that it is no longer Powerquest but Symantec, PM should work with Ghost ...... ...... ! I can't say for sure that this is the cause but it may be.

    WOW. I hope that's not the problem, because I think PM is very easy to work.

    That's not a good sign. I have never created an image directly to CD/DVD but there is no way 40 GB fits on 2x700 MB, not even with maximum compression. I create my images to a different partition (on a second HDD) but split the images to 650 MB chunks in order to have the option to burn to CDs if the need should arise.

    I guess here's my problem... why would it only create two disks? And how many disks are necessary for 40 gigs?

    You lost me here! I count that as three partitions, F: G: H: and not F: alone.

    I'm not sure about this since I always create Partition to Image and restore Partition from Image of the system partition. I never image data partitions, I use other software to backup data. Anyway, I don't think that it's possible to restore an image of a disk to a partition and as I understand it, that is what You are attempting.


    Ok, that's my other problem... I didn't know about this disk to image/partition to image business, but I'm sure trying to get my data back to a partition is not the problem, since I tried restoring to a disk the first couple of times. Also, originally when I bought my hard drive I intalled it, partitioned it, and formated it with the Maxtor CD... could that be a problem? :confused:

    I will do the image check, and report back...

    thanks for your time
    fernando
     
  7. 2005/05/11
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    Just a clarification: Dos/windows see only f: because the linux partitions are invisible to those OSs - and XP's disk manager sees the linux partitions as 'unknown'. Fdisk also sees linux partitions but doesn't know what OS or file system is installed on them. Drive letters are only assigned to FATxx (DOS) and NTFS partitions.
     
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    I have no idea what went wrong and why it only created 2 disks.

    40 GB used space will get reduced by the size of pagefile.sys, hiberfil.sys (if hibernation is enabled) and other "one session files" which are excluded from the image. On the average system that would reduce the size of the image by 1.5-2.5 times RAM.

    If we assume that 40 GB is imaged then it would require 40 x 1024 / 700 = 59 CDs ...... :eek: ...... and take my word for it ...... :rolleyes: ...... it would take all day and the best part of the night to create the image, an operation that is quite slow to CDs/DVDs.

    It makes sense to only image the system partition(s), containing the operating system(s) and programs. Make the system partition(s) quite small but adequately sized for Your needs. Some 10-20 GB (Windows XP) will suffice for most users but make an estimation of Your needs and multiply by 1.5. You would have to create one image of Your Windows partition and one image of Your Linux partition. Backing Up data partitions can be done using e.g. Replicator which can be run either on schedule or manually.

    I don't think so. I assume that the partitions have since been rearranged using PM and maybe reformated too. Did the Maxtor CD format FAT32 or NTFS? Which file system is curently used (disregarding Linux of which I know "nada ")?

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    sparrow,

    Thanks for the reminder ...... :eek: ...... that has totally slipped off my teflon coated memory!

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  10. 2005/05/11
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    Are you saying that it would take 59 cds to back 40 gigs up in ghost? I thought it was supposed to compress the files... anyways so what would be the best way to back up data? I guess there's no hope to get my data back out of those two useless cds.

    The only good thing is that I had saved some of my mp3's on to cd before, so at least I can get those back. I had some trouble with a couple of the cds, since I made them some time ago, when I'm trying to copy directly from the cd to my drive this message shows up in a couple of the tracks "Cannot copy artist - title: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)" or "Cannot copy artist - title: Invalid MS-DOS Function " Is there a more efficient way to transfer the mp3s from the cd to my hd, and what does this message mean?

    Just a clarification: Dos/windows see only f: because the linux partitions are invisible to those OSs - and XP's disk manager sees the linux partitions as 'unknown'. Fdisk also sees linux partitions but doesn't know what OS or file system is installed on them. Drive letters are only assigned to FATxx (DOS) and NTFS partitions.

    Yes, that's right, the Linux swap partition and the Linux Ext2 partition don't show up in windows... I don't know what that has to do with anything, though...
     
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  11. 2005/05/12
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    You're right, 59 CDs is without compression. Medium compression will reduce the size to 60-70% and high compression a bit more, maybe towards 50%.

    Personally, I avoid compression since it is an additional operation that can go wrong. It is actually two operations, compress/extract, that can go wrong and it adds to the time it takes to create and restore an image.

    That was sparrow, educating Yours Truly ...... :p ...... ! He explained the "missing drive letters ".

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  12. 2005/05/12
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    Is the below an indication of the result of the integrity check?

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  13. 2005/05/17
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    <quote>(In Windows Explorer, I assume that D: and E: are optical drives, right? I always assign drive letters at the far end of the alphabet to get them out of the way of added harddisks and/or partitions. Mine are X: and Y: respectively and the harddisks and partitions are all in one sequence, C: D: E: F: G:.)</quote>

    Ok, I want to reassign the drive letters of my hard drives and optical drives... but I don't know how to do it...

    Oh, yeah and the cds ARE useless...
     
  14. 2005/05/17
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    Right-click the "My computer" icon on the desktop > select "Manage" > select "Disk Management ".

    Right-click an optical drive > select "Change drive letter ..." > select "Change" > from the drop-down menu, select the desired drive letter.

    A warning message will appear that this action may render some applications unfunctional (or words to that effect). That is true for programs that are already installed and need a CD or DVD to run. I'm not sure but I believe that such a program will ask for the new path.

    If You want to reuse a drive letter, You have to restart the computer for it to appear in the drop-down menu.

    You manage harddisk partitions by right-clicking on those and following the same steps as described above. The only exception is the system partition C: which doesn't allow its drive letter to be changed.

    Christer
     
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