Here we go again -- Java 07!!!

What in the world is wrong with Java? It seems that everytime they come out with a new version, it screws something up.

Using Xp SP1 (SP2 doesn't like my laptop), Moz.FireFox 1.0.3 and it works just great!!!

BUT!!! I can't set Java to accept Moz 1.x as it's only browser (IE is removed -- yes, it can be done.). This arrangement worked just great with 1.0.2. Should I go back to 1.0.2 'til Java gets their act together?

Edit: Using Java JRE Standard Edition 1.4.2_07

Bob

 

Have you tried Java Version 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_02-b09)?
Sven

 

Bob,

I would take Sven's advice and move to 1.5.0_02-b09. I had problems with 1.4.2_07 on Windows 98SE, but none with 1.5.0.

Download the Offline Installation here: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp

Once installed, reboot the PC, then go to the Test site:
http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

If the "Duke" is dancing then the install was successful. Ensure that you uninstall the existing version first, for a clean install.

Ramona

 

Sven, Ramona,

I followed your instructions. Had little trouble because I selected the wrong version. After trying to decode the Java form of "english" with no success, I resorted to the "hunt and peck" approach and made it on the second try.

Is it just me? Why don't the Java folks speak in real English! Their's is undoubtedly the most difficult web page to understand, not to mention trying to navigate to other pages! You'd think by now they would have it right!!!

Many thanks folks, all seem to be working well -- at least for now.

Bob

 

Bob,

Thanks for letting us know that all is well again, with Java. I agree, that site is the pits to navigate!

Let us know if you continue to have problems.

Ramona

 

Ramona,

Well it appeared ok until today. Just can't get Java setup to accept Mozilla 1.x as the default browser. It accepts IE even though it really isn't available -- but no joy with Mozilla. Wonder if Firefox is too new for Java.

Under browsers, I get an error whenever Mozilla 1.x is chosen. It reads something like:

"Check to see if your browser is installed properly and if you have necessary administrative privaleges, etc. "

All meaningless gibberish to the likes of me!

Went back to JRE 1.4.2.08 -- sameo sameo!

BTW, when I go to the Java test site, the little guy dances like crazy -- with any version of Java. I have tried 1.4.2_06, 07, 08 and 1.5 . . . whatever. They all display same symptoms with the browser assignment.

Any ideas?

Bob

 

Bob,

I have the configuration problem just as you do. I feel sure it is a bug, but there is nothing wrong with your installation. If the Duke is dancing, then your Java is working. I just downloaded 1.5.0_03, and will install it shortly. If there is any change I'll let you know, but I saw nothing in the bug fixes.

The Sun Knowledge Base also says to enable both IE and Netscape & Mozilla in the Advanced Settings... Obviously they feel it is a minor annoyance.
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/jre/install-windows.html

That site is not the easiest to use, and I simply couldn't find anything else related to this setup annoyance. When/if I do I'll post it for you.

Ramona

 

Ramona,
Thanks for the reply. I put 1.5 .... back in. Same0 sameo. I'll just put up with it. I looked around the Java site for help, but it's useless. It's got to be one of the most difficult sites to use on the internet!

Thanks for the quick response. I'll keep checking around as well. Maybe something will eventually turn up.

Bob

 

Bob,

I installed 1.5.0_03-b07, and the bug is still in this version. I also had to copy the *.dll files from the Java/bin folder to the Firefox plugins folder, to get this version to work...

I'm not finished googling for this problem, and will post anything I find.

Ramona

 

Just installed Java (build 1.5.0_03-b07)
Continue to have Advance Tab / <Applet> / Mozilla and Netscape tick / Unable to change Browser Settings ... permission / error screen, failure.
But Java works fine. I test at two locations ... dancing Duke and Trend Micro HouseCall, which probes your system for an functional / enabled Java program. As long as these two sites say my Java is working, I dismiss Java error condition as a false positive.

 

Dennis,

I think that it really is a bug, and in fact during the install in the Registration window, you can select both IE and Moz/NS as the supported browsers.

I should add that you can always check aboutlugins.

As you said, all test sites worked, the Duke danced, and the National Weather site showed that we have weather here in the middle of the U.S.A.!

Ramona

 

Just an update

Just installed Java (build 1.5.0_03-b07) on networked w98SE.
No problems with Advance Tab / Applet / IE and Mozilla.
It was previously ticked, install accepted as a default setting.
Now computer is linked to Trend Micro / HouseCall scanning for vermin.

 

omahawest

I did the Runtime Environment install (it is so difficult to figure out what one needs), and all the .dll files in Mozilla1.7.7 were replaced, but those in NS7.2 were not. I replaced all files in omne of my two 7.2, and I am not bringing up Java, but the one with the new .dll files shows the map, although it does not animate. The other one with the old files, of the now uninstalled earlier version does not even bring up the map. Why?
Also, I have up automatic update, letting me know. According to the previous version it was up-to-date.
My conclusion is that Java is totally insane, or, at least, schizophrenic.

 

Westside,
Whew! Then I'm not insane!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Who in the heck is writing that Java stuff?

Bob

 

Bob,

As long as you can see your Java Version in aboutlugins, then you're O.K. No mental illness involved, or else we're all going bonkers!

When you go to the test site, if the Duke dances, you're O.K. I've tried installing with registering IE and Moz/Netscape during the install process, and not registering IE and Moz/Netscape during the install process, but then enabling in the Advanced setting. No matter which way I go, once I have rebooted, Moz/Netscape are no longer enabled, and I get the "Unable to change Browser settings. Make sure Mozilla or Netscape is installed properly, etc., etc., etc...

I have been unable to find out if this is a bug, but still looking around the Java site. I am running 98SE, and you run XP, so it must not be an OS thing.

Ramona

 

Bob,
you are not insane, and I got more.
I copied the entire plugins folder from Mozilla1.7.7, and pasted to the one NS7.2 which would not not even show the map, and it is working fine.
I did check aboutlugins, before and after this, and, in both cases I was getting the same listings. So, there must be something else in Moz1.7.7, which allows its files to be replaced, and also work. I went back to the other NS7.2, which showed the map, but did not animate, and I checked aboutlugins, and I got a Netscape: Bad image error. The message said Bad Image or .DLL in Netscape7.2\components\libxpical.dylid is not a valid Windows something or other (I scribbled the error), and to check against the installation diskette (whatever that is). I had to say ok, and then it showed all the plugins. They seemed to in place, ok.
I was under the impression that Firefox was looking for the plugins, but sure it is not. Honestly, I don't know if Java ever worked in FF1.03, but there was one of the seven files in it plugin folder. It looks like wholesale copying of the Mozilla plugins folder is in order.
I, completely, give up.

 

Gentlemen, we are not alone. I did find a couple of bugs relating to the anamoly we are experiencing, altho one is deemed "Not a bug" by Sun:

(Not a Bug)
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6230352

Solaris
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6240989

Then I found this information on the Mozilla Firefox KB:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Java

 

Whatever! I had posted another e-mail, or so I thought, but I don't see it. Anyway, all my browsers, i.e. NS7.2 compact and the original, Moz1.7.7, Firefox1.03, and 1.04 nightly list the plugins. I copied the file from Java bin folder into all my browsers, and the one site which needs Java, the Weather Radar brings up the coffee cup and animates only with Moz1.7.7. I copied the entire plugins of Moz1.7.7, and pasted it first into NS7.2 Compact and FF1.04. Those two programs work fine, but the other 7.2 and FF1.03 do not. At this point, I have no choice but doing this wholesale copying into the other programs. I did not look at the other FF nightly, which is based on 1.8b2, but I don't expect it to work properly.
I had to resort to copying the Moz1.7.7 folder mainly because I have not been able to find the difference between a folder which had received the proper files from one which had the same files copy/pasted.

 

I have placed two replies, and I could even see my message, but none showed up.
Ok, one made it. The message can be deleted.

 

Just my opinion and observations:
I can not get the ERROR that others seem to be getting......

To get full path inabout: plugins
In about:config - filter on plugin.expose_full_path and set value to true

On MY machine....
xp-home sp1
single user
full privileges.....
NS 7.2 & Moz 1.7.3-1.7.6- 1.7.7 installed to : "E:\program files\......................................\
FF 1.0.3 exe file, installed to: "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe "
FF 1.0.3 zip file in "E:\program files\FF_1.0.3_zip\firefox\firefox.exe "
Java installed to: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\ - Update 3

I experimented with NS 7.2 and Moz 1.7.3, 1.7.6, 1.7.7 and FF 1.0.3 both installed and zip....

In Java console - <APPLET> tag support - Mozilla and Netscape NOT selected

Start NS 7.2 - about: plugins show ALL java related plugins are in:
File name: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\bin

Including :

File name: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\bin\NPOJI610.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_03 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

There are NO java plugins in: E:\program files\NS_7.2\plugins\

Duke dances away........ as he does in ALL gecko browsers...........including FF and FF_zip

If I select Mozilla and Netscape in Java advanced <applet >tag support, Java copies NPOJI610.dll to the NS plugins folder
and about: plugins shows:

File name: E:\program files\NS_7.2\plugins\NPOJI610.dll
Java Plug-in 1.5.0_03 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper)

Remaining Java plugins show:

File name: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\bin\

and Dukes feet are still happy................

Go back to Java and de-select Moz and NS - restart NS...

Little dude still dancin away....but Java removed NPOJI610.dll from NS plugins folder......

Java only seems to copy ONE file,NPOJI610.dll,
to only one plugins folder ( NS 7.2 - Moz 1.4) and does not effect browsers based on Moz 1.7.3 and above - So, I conclude there is something in 7.2 code that trigers this.

I realize this does not correct the problem that some are having, but perhaps it will lead them to a solution...

If I were able to get the error that you guys are getting, maybe I could figure out something.....
It may be related to copying over OLD plugins to NEW versions.


As I said, I have NO java plugins in any program plugins folders.

I aint goin' to lunch the whole PROGRAM installs (profiles ---yes----programs NO) just to prove a point.

Bottom line seems to be that Moz/FF does not care what you select in Java, as it looks for valid <java >.dlls via all.js - scan plugins entry -in the installed locations.

Hopefully I have not confused things thoroughly now....
As to why the choice is there, I can only guess, I believe that this may be due to the fact that OTHER browsers DO NOT scan for plugins as do the gecko based browsers - it may force the required .dlls to be copied someplace.

Fulvio's weather site works on Java Loop in FF here.


regards:captjlddavis

Edit for spelling - hopefully got 'em all