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browsers - is opera safe ?

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    keywester

    keywester Inactive Thread Starter

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    if the answer to my question is deeply embedded somewhere on this forum, i apologize, but i did do a search and after half an hour of perusing search results, decided to give up and start a new thread...

    ok, i have migrated to using firefox for most of my basic online browsing, and have lately been enticed into using opera when i need a "fast" browser (it does seem to move along a little more swiftly...) for intense surfing with numerous concurrent pages/tabs open, and when i am feeling risque i fire up the ie-based maxthon, altho i am growing increasingly more wary of that, but i ramble...

    so, we all know that ie has its inherent risks, and that firefox is increasingly coming under attack and needing occaisional updates to combat malware... but i am not cognizant of the safety/risks of using the opera browser - dont hear much of anything about that, no updates, no warnings, no problems, etc., yet i did see where some 20 million new users downloaded it last year, so it is "out there" in force...

    what about it? should i be concerned using opera?
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    It's a matter of personal preference ONLY. Do not base browser usage upon general media disseminated browser security risks, for browser security risks promoted at websites, magazines & news are always:
    1. overly dramatic
    2. tend to make it appear worse than it really is
    3. designed & intended to scare uers (away from MS products)

    A browser's security state is mostly dependant upon the users' browsing habits. If a user tends to frequent questionable websites, or sites known to use browser security exploits (such as ****, warez, etc) then no browser is completely security risk free. The exceptions being text-only browsers run on unix based operating systems.

    Bottom line is that you cannot get a virus, spyware or trojan from a reputable website that is known to serve only straight forward content. If the site dishes out malicious code then it's not a reputable site. The built in security features of most all modern browsers, including Internet Explorer, help to increase user judgement with popup blockers, security zones, rules, etc.

    I've been using IE only on windows since it was IE4 and never have problems with it, meaning I have never had unwanted software installed as a result of visiting a website. Actually, it did happen a few times, and I was able to fix and then defend against it later on. Now, w/ IE6 sp2, I can honestly say that I am so far safe from security exploits. (I don't visit disreputable sites)

    Remember, as long as there are criminal minds and web browsers, there will be browser security threats. The KEY to safe secure browsing is NOT which browser one uses, but rather it is one's surfing habits, computer skill and judgement.

    Thus, the solution is to educate oneself by learning about browser security features, comp security in general, and being able to extract only the true needed data from news articles (hype) about browser insecurity.

    While Internet Explorer does have security holes, and while IE has a history of security hole-patch it-security hole-patch it, it is solely because there exists a small proportion of anti-MS folks who are intent on attacking MS and keeping them busy with handling the holes and the hype. It's an economic war that began long ago and will not end as long as there are criminal minds that use computers.

    Forgive my ranting, please.

    I have nothing against someone wanting to try out or use other web browsers for the sake of wanting to try and use something different. It happens to strike a button in me when I hear someone wanting to change browsers based on media hype about browser insecurity.

    No browser is without security holes. Any browser can easily be exploited. Any user can make a mistake while browsing. But mistakes are the result of poor judgement. Good judgement comes from (1) duplicating what one studies and (2) experience - the successful application of what one has learned.

    hey, if you install Opera, and you dig it, then great! Enjoy it! yes, there are less sites out there aimed at exploiting Opera, and it's unlikely there will ever be many sites that attempt to exploit browsers other than IE.
     

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    Ramona

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    Keywester,

    Opera is up to Version 7.54u2 (update 2) due to two security issues. See the 7.54u2 Changelog. If you check out the recent updates, you will most likely find that they too were to address security issues.

    There was a time when I used Opera exclusively, but then realized that Mozilla, and now Firefox, have fewer security risks than Opera.

    Ramona
     
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    I agree with Tony and Ramona.

    One more factor: user's ignorance, ignorance about what Browser features pose greater insecurity and ignorance about settings for those features.

    Three examples:
    ActiveX - probably the worst, potentially gives complete control over to the web site.

    Scripting - allowing someone to run "routines" on your system.

    Java Applets - again allowing sites to run "routines ".

    Each of these have settings for them - so it would be smart to know where these settings are and to toggle them depending on the site (Romana's point).

    Regards - Charles
     
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    keywester

    keywester Inactive Thread Starter

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    thanks for the info, but...

    for the benefit of all concerned, i thought that i should post back and note that i ran across the "secunia" site which appears to reputably report overall safety/risks associated with software (based on bugs/patches/etc...), with the links below pointing to their summaries on IE6, Opera, and FireFox respectively (there are also stat-based critiques on just about all other major software components there if interested...)...

    now i did not take a lot of time to peruse the stats from this site regarding these browsers, but it would appear "on the surface" that Opera tends to be the most secure based on the type of data that the site is using, but there may well be other conclusions "upon further analysis" (of which i would appreciate any feedback if anyone actually has the time to delve into this type of thing...)

    Ramona: i am wondering if the first pie chart for FireFox indicating 33% "unpatched" actually means what it would seem to indicate? i.e., that 1/3 of the bugs were not patched at the time that the data was "extrapolated "? or do they perchance imply something else that is beyond my mental capabilities to perceive?

    http://secunia.com/product/11/
    http://secunia.com/product/761/
    http://secunia.com/product/4227/
     
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    Ramona

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    keywester,

    As there were three unpatched security vulnerabilities, and one was issued today, that % is no longer true.

    Another of the unpatched only applies to the Mac, and not Windows, or Linux.

    The third vulnerability only applies to Firefox 1.0. The domain-spoofing and cross-site scripting bugs were addressed in Version 1.0.1

    Ramona
     
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    keywester

    keywester Inactive Thread Starter

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    so some of secunia's non-long-term info is based on a snapshot in time, and consequently a moving target, that may or may not provide realistic impressions (ie, could tend to be somewhat misleading if not viewed with the proper perspective)...

    thanks Ramona, my #1 browser is still firefox
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Firefox is a good browser.

    Also, from the securina site:

    Please Note. The statistics below should not be used for a direct comparison of how secure two different products are. This is partly due to the fact that a Secunia advisory often cover multiple vulnerabilities. Also certain operating systems bundle a very large number of software packages and are therefore affected by many vulnerabilities that would be counted as a vulnerability in stand alone products for other operating systems / platforms. Other factors such as vendor response times and ability to properly fix vulnerabilities is also important.

    Also, keep in mind that Securina is a commercial service sold to IT Pros & corporations/businesses. Thus it is in their interest to post all security vulnerabilites. It appears to be a good reporting site, stating just data without hype. But it's mainly for use by admins that are responsible for networks.

    The Secunia Customer Area is the commercial part of Secunia. It allows IT professionals to configure their own customised setup, in order to receive only relevant security information for their specific network setup.

    Secunia is currently the best source with the most validated vulnerability information available, ensuring that the IT professional always is informed about the latest threats and has the best information to work with.
     
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    Ramona

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    You go girl!

    Ramona :D
     
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