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Ethernet Card Conflict

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by Rockit, 2005/01/24.

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  1. 2005/01/24
    Rockit

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    When I go to device manager I have a yellow excamation point next to Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller and it say's that it has a conflict with the NIC card I just put in. I uninstalled my modem and and removed it from the computer also uninstalled the disk controller and nic card then reboot. The conflict between the nic and controller is still there? I tried to change the interupts but all the ones it give me the option to change to are allready in use? I thought by removing the modem I would free up one but that doesn't appear to have helped.

    This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)

    If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system.

    Click Troubleshoot to start the troubleshooter for this device.

    Interrupt Request 10 used by:
    3Com EtherLink XL 10/100 PCI For Complete PC Management NIC (3C905C-TX)
    VIA Rev 2 USB Universal Host Controller

    Thanks For Your Responce
    Rockit
     
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  2. 2005/01/25
    mattman

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    Hi Rockit,

    If you were to change the LAN card to another PCI slot , it should make Windows allocate different resources for the card.

    You do not seem to have your motherboard drivers installed. You are running Windows "standard" IDE Controller drivers. If the motherboard drivers were installed it would say (Intel, VIA, SIS, etc) IDE Controller. I would locate and install the motherboard/chipset drivers. It probably won't fix the resource problem, but it may well make your system "go better ".

    Matt
     

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  4. 2005/01/25
    Rockit

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    Mattman,
    In device manager it looks like this under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers

    Primary IDE Channel
    Secondary IDE Channel
    Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller
    VIA Bus Master IDE Controller

    I have installed the VIA 4 in 1 drivers but is there something else I'm missing?
    I got rid of the error by going in the bios and disabling the "VIA Rev 2 USB Universal Host Controller" since I don't use it anyway. But what you say does make sense and maybe I don't have this system configured properly. That could explain a few different problems that I'm unable to resolve.

    Thanks Allot
    Rockit
     
  5. 2005/01/25
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    Those IDE listings are a little different from mine, but you should be able to safely remove the standard IDE controller, especially if has an error listing (yellow exclamation). Read about changing drivers under (Windows) Help. When you reboot, Windows should automatically set those IDE controllers correctly, but if it asks, direct it to VIA drivers. Also, in case Windows seems to have trouble, rerun the 4-in-1 installation again. If you want to start completely from scratch, you can uninstall the VIA drivers using the 4-in-1 program. I did this when I upgraded my drivers to a newer version so that they were installed "cleanly ".

    Have you been to the VIA website? www.viaarena.com

    Matt
     
  6. 2005/01/25
    Rockit

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    Matt,
    When I remove the Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller windows just puts it right back on the next reboot. Maybe I need to do something in the bios again?
    I reinstalled the 4 in 1 drivers but that didn't change anything.

    Thanks ALLOT
    Rockit
     
  7. 2005/01/25
    mattman

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    Rockit, I have just done some searching on the VIA forums. Reading into what was said... you may not actually have a VIA chipset. I would tend to agree, since Windows cannot install the correct drivers for that controller.

    I might venture a guess that your motherboard is from a proprietry system, in which case you will need the original drivers CD. Otherwise you should look at (re)identifying it. At least, do not assume that it has a VIA chipset.

    Let me/us know if you need help with identifying it.

    Matt
     
  8. 2005/01/25
    Rockit

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    Matt,
    You make a very good point. When looking in the manual it states the chipset is VIA Apollo MVP3. They are not very clear, but what I can tell you is the motherboard is a FIC PA-2013 and here is the link to their website with some info on it.

    Yes .. if you have time I would really appreciate your assistance in correcting this issue.

    http://www.fic.com.tw/support/motherboard/motherboard.aspx?model_id=18

    Thanks Again
    Rockit

    P.S. I have a K62 AMD 500 Processor
     
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  9. 2005/01/26
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    Hi Rockit, sorry I haven't replied. I had a look at the specs for your mobo and you seem to have a VIA chipset.
    Now I am a little stumped. I might run through some possibilities.
    There is no possibility that the mobo is not what you think it is?
    Sandra and Everest in my signature may help if you have not tried them.

    I look at that "ESDI ", I have not come across it before. Could you have a harddrive installed that wants to use it? (If I get time I will see if I can find out what it is). Could you have an older ISA add-in card installed that may require something like that? (This may also relate to your original problem with the resources, Windows is generally quite good at shuffling resources). Maybe consider disconnecting any extra drives and removing add-in cards until you correct the problem. If it works, put them back in one at a time and then spot which one is causing the problem.

    The VIA drivers could be corrupted and reinstalling is not replacing the bad file. Check at the VIA website for which ones they recommend for that chipset with your version of Windows. I would run the VIA driver uninstall like I mentioned before, then install the ones that VIA recommend. You will then need to remove the standard controller again, but hopefully, this time it will switch to the VIA controllers.

    Do you have any "gut-feel" that any of your hardware could be faulty. I have come across faulty drive controllers a bit. Not much you can do appart from getting a PCI drive controller (on an older machine you would probably be better off putting the money toward a replacement second-hand motherboard that would take your RAM and video card, or try struggling on for the moment and save toward a new computer).

    Matt
     
  10. 2005/01/27
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    You've got me thinking. I can see that you are getting those resource problems, then there is the IDE controller driver problem. Something is basically confusing the system.

    Have you seen these problems emerge since adding a new piece of hardware?

    Next possibility...and where there could be strange consequences. Drive configuration. Check the master/slave settings on the drives. You cannot have two "masters" or two "slaves" on the same cable, alternatively, check if any of the drives may be set to "cable select" (like a new optical drive). On your system both drives on that cable would need to be set as cable select or one set as master and the other as slave.

    Matt
     
  11. 2005/01/27
    Rockit

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    Matt,
    Now I'm confused .. I built this system so I'm pretty sure the motherboard is correct. I currently have the following hardware:

    C:\ = Western digital 120 gig HD (2 partitions) Master on Primary Controller
    D:\ = Western digital 6.4 gig HD Slave on Secondary Controller
    F:\ = LiteOn Cdrom Slave on Primary Controller
    G:\ = Sony CDRW Master on Secondary Controller

    3Com Eithernet XL 10/100 PCI Nic

    Nvida Geforce2 64mb (suppose to be AGP but in device manager it say's PCI bus?)

    ISA Creative Soundblaster SW32

    384mb 133mhz Sdram

    I'm not sure how to uninstall the VIA drivers but will investigate and post back.

    Thanks
    Rockit
     
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  12. 2005/01/27
    mattman

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    Rockit, I don't mean to confuse you, but it is probably what I am best at :D .

    Thanks for posting those system details, now I remember your previous thread about setting up the drives.

    You seem to have a few background problems and I am relating those to my experiences. The resource conflict and the standard IDE controller that has a yellow exclamation would set some alarm bells of for ME...I, personnally, would try to find their source. In troubleshooting this, I would first make sure that all the hardware is identified correctly (I was looking up some motherboard information and one motherboard could be used "normally" OR was run as a Hewlet Packard, the difference only being that the HP had a "cut-down" BIOS, using a HP CMOS chip...the "normal" motherboard was a very good adaptable board...the HP motherboard could only run the way HP wanted it to, using HP's own "special" drivers). What I am asking you to do is just to double-check if you have any suspicions. Put the model number(s) into a Google search, which may show some similar problems with that hardware.

    You have quite a mix of new and old hardware. I have found the Creative ISA soundcards to be VERY good, but the ISA card will want to monopolize a certain set of recourses. Windows has to shuffle the remaining resources, which is probably why you found the conflict.

    3-COM NICs are good, although I had one the other day that refused to install, no matter what I tried (got sick of trying and put in a different brand...that fixed it! :) )

    The problems may not be due to one piece of hardware, but a combination of hardware all requesting their own "space "...thus conflicts.

    I would disconnect the 6gb HDD and the (old?) CD ROM. Take out the ISA soundcard and the 3-COM NIC, then uninstall the old VIA drivers (you need to run the original VIA 4-in1 INSTALL program, there will be a choice to uninstall the current drivers). After you install the "recommended" VIA 4-in-1 version for that Appollo chipset, see if the stardard IDE/ESDI controller with the yellow exclamation comes back...it shouldn't...otherwise I would suspect a problem in the motherboard itself. Add back one piece of the hardware at a time and make sure that IDE/ESDI does not come back (and when you replace the cards, try them in different slots).

    With that diverse range of hardware you will certainly have to do some "trys ".

    On the drive configuration, me, I would like to "try" to set the 6gb as slave to your main HD on the primary IDE and set the CD-ROM as master and the CDRW as slave on the secondary IDE.

    I certainly hope you get it settled down.
    Matt
     
  13. 2005/01/28
    Rockit

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    Hey Matt,
    looks like I'll have to get some free time to figure this out. What I can tell you is I tried a complete format and install of Windows XP and the devices for drive controllers setup the same way. Also ran the 4 in 1 VIA and cannot find a uninstall option. I corrected my drive config. in the upper post after looking inside the box. I put the CDRW as Master to try and get some performance gain out of it. Found this little utility called CPUZ and here is the dump text.

    Thanks Again
    Rockit
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    CPU-Z version 1.26
    ----------------------

    CPUID Output
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of CPUs 1
    Name AMD K6-2 (model 8)
    Code name Chomper
    Specification AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
    Family/Model/Stepping 58C
    Extended Family/Model 6/8
    Package Socket 7
    Core Stepping CXT
    Technology 0.25µ
    Instructions Sets MMX, 3DNow!
    Clock Speed 501.1 MHz
    Clock multiplier x5.0
    Front Side Bus Frequency 100.2 MHz
    Bus Speed 100.2 MHz
    L1 Data Cache 32 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
    L1 Instruction Cache 32 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size

    eax ebx ecx edx
    Function 00000000 00000001 68747541 444d4163 69746e65
    Function 00000001 0000058c 00000000 00000000 008021bf
    Function 80000000 80000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
    Function 80000001 0000068c 00000000 00000000 808029bf
    Function 80000002 2d444d41 7428364b 3320296d 72702044
    Function 80000003 7365636f 00726f73 00000000 00000000
    Function 80000004 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
    Function 80000005 00000000 02800140 20020220 20020220



    Chipset
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    Northbridge VIA Apollo VP3 rev. 4
    Southbridge VIA VT82C586 rev. 47
    Graphic Interface AGP
    AGP Revision 1.0
    AGP Transfert Rate 2x
    AGP SBA supported, not enabled
    AGP Aperture 128 MBytes
    On Board Cache 1024 Kb
    Memory Type SDRAM
    Memory Size 384 MBytes
    Memory Frequency 100.2 MHz (1:1)
    CAS# 2.0
    RAS# to CAS# 2
    RAS# Precharge 2
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 5


    Memory SPD
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    No SPD information available


    Monitoring
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    PCI Device List
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    DMI
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    DMI BIOS
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    BIOS #1
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    version 4.51 PG
    date 01/11/01


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    System #1
    manufacturer System Manufacturer
    product Product Name
    version SYS-xxxxxx
    serial Serial Number xxxxxx
    UUID 00000000-00000000-00000000-00000000


    DMI Baseboard
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    Baseboard #1
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    serial Serial Number xxxxxx


    DMI System Enclosure
    --------------------
    System enclosure #1
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    Software
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    Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
    DirectX Version 9.0c
     
  14. 2005/01/28
    mattman

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    Ah-ha! I think I know what the ESDI is. If you look at the soundcard, it will probably have connectors for cables to be attached. In the days when motherboards only had one IDE connector, you could hook up a CDrom through the soundcard. Since the motherboard already has two IDE channels the ESDI cannot be installed.

    I will see if I can find a User Guide for that soundcard. It may be possible to disable the ESDI using jumpers on the card. I don't suppose you have the Guide for it?

    That may solve a lot of your problems because unnecessary resources are being allocated to that ESDI, which is not required anyway.

    In the meantime you may want to look over the card yourself to see if it may be easily done (eg, jumpers with ESDI enable/disable).

    Matt
     
  15. 2005/01/28
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    Cool Matt,
    And I don't throw anything away :) I'm at work but I do have the manuals for this soundcard. That was back in the day when they gave you a manual. I just got this motorla cable modem and there is no manual. I downloaded it from their website and its 68 pages long and in PDF format. Since I don't want Adobe Reader and I don't have a good printer to work with. I guess I'll just have to wait .. Maybe if I email them they will send me one.

    I'll get on this later tonight. What do you think of the way I have the drives configed .. I corrected the above post.

    Thanks
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  16. 2005/01/28
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    Looked at the manual (AWE32 model, which seemed like about the only one that it could be). There are no jumpers to disable the ESDI. The ESDI (they refer to it as the CDrom IDE) can only be set to either of two Interup Requests. You could try setting it to the other (under Resources in the Properties in Device Manager), otherwise just try disabling it in Windows, you won't need it.

    The soundcard is really geared toward DOS based applications. There are no XP drivers for it, so it won't be performing at it's peak, as well as causing these problems with your resources. There is a lot of information, drivers and software IF you were running Win98. You may want to consider getting a PCI soundcard. I wanted a basic soundcard and got the Soundblaster 128, I think it was around $30 in those days and performs brilliantly. Just check that WinXP drivers are available. If you have run out of PCI slots, there may possibly be ISA soundcards that are built to run under WinXP, but I am speculating here (I will check if I get time).

    Even if you get the resources sorted out so they work now, it may all come back to haunt you when you add the next piece of hardware.

    Regarding the drive configuration, I would still recommend my previous suggestion.
    I think our resident "guru" on drive configuration ( hi Christer! :) ) may agree, considering the age of your system and the fact that you will be using 40 pin/lead IDE ribbon cables. [PS do a search of Christer's threads/replies it is very interesting, I think you only need to click on his name].

    I would still like to set the CDrom as master on the secondary IDE and the CDRW as slave. My reason is that CDrom drives from around the time of Pentium I/II were all being set as master on the secondary IDE. I have found some that will not work (or work poorly) configured as slave. When CDRWs came out they were all being installed as slaves to the CDrom as master. I keep this configuration for "older" optical drives, I think they will perform best that way. If they were both "new" drives I would not worry, firmware has evolved since then.

    Matt
     
  17. 2005/01/29
    Rockit

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    Christer .. where are you ?


    I put 80 pin/lead IDE ribbon cables on these drives I believe.

    Got em cheap and I read somewhere it may increase performance.

    Thanks Again
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  18. 2005/01/29
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    FWIW, I found some info in one of my motherboard manuals (ASUS A7V133)

    "It is recommended that non-UltraDMA/100/66 devices be connected to the secondary IDE connector. "

    "UltraDMA66 and UltraDMA100 devices require a 40-pin 80-conductor cable... "

    Do some research on how your drives run (what mode). I would keep similar modes on the same IDE channel.

    The 80 lead cables will make use of any advantage if there is any to be had.

    You may want to try some benchmarking. I think PCpitstop will test drives. There are one or two programs as well (HDtach? or HDspeed?). Test them set in those different configurations.

    Matt
     
  19. 2005/01/30
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    Out of town ...... :p ...... separated from all modern forms of communication!

    I agree with Matt to separate the harddisks from the opticals. Older motherboards (chipsets) don't support independent device timing and the harddisks would run at the same speed as the optical devices if mixed. Regardless of the age of the MB, under DOS it's always true. When I shuffled my devices around, Ghost (from DOS) transfer rates were ~5 times slower when devices were mixed (from ATA100 to Mult-Word DMA mode 2 [16.7 MB/s]).

    Remember that Cable Select only works with 80-conductor cables.

    Regarding the hardware conflict ...... :( ...... sorry but I don't have a clue how to correct that.

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    Many thanks Christer! That gives a good summary of your research. From what you have said in your previous posts, it seems to go along with the information I found when I was researching the subject.

    One thing I am pretty sure of is that apart from UltraDMA 66/100 drives requiring an 80 lead cable, the motherboard needs to support UltraDMA 66/100 as well. Maximum data transfer will only be achieved if all the components are compatible (so Rockit, don't be depressed if you cannot acheive "lightning" speed or the maxium specified speed of a drive, all the components are probably working at their optimum for your setup).

    If you get a chance to carry out any experiments, please let us know the outcome.

    I put my HDDs on an 80 lead cable on the primary. I have the opticals on the secondary only using a 40 lead cable (in the BIOS configuration screen, the opticals are listed as DVD burner: DMA mode 2...which is UltraDMA 33 and CDrom: N/A...which means it is in PIO mode...PIO 4).

    Matt
     
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    Christer

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    Hi Matt!

    Well, not even then!

    ATA33/66/100 is the maximum speed that the IDE interface can handle, the drive usually ticks at lower speeds.

    In this post in another thread I posted AIDA32 screen shots from a computer with two Seagates, one SATA (yellow) and one PATA (green).

    The SATA (1.5 GB/s, 8 MB cache) delivered a Buffered Read of approximately 86 MB/s, which is 57% of the "speed according to marketing ".

    The PATA (ATA100, 8 MB cache) delivered a Buffered Read of approximately 80 MB/s, which is 80% of the "speed according to marketing ".

    I'm sure that neither an ATA66 nor an ATA33 would run at "peak performance ".

    I have also come to the conclusion that the chipset plays a role in this. Test a drive on MB#1 move the drive to MB#2 and test again. The performance will not be the same.

    In another thread, clif (savagcl) did some tests. The results showed that the performance of SATA#1 was affected by connecting/disconnecting SATA#2.
    These tests made me wonder what performance the SATA in my screenshots would have if the PATA had been disconnected.

    (Motherboards supporting SATA-II (3.0 GB/s) are emerging and I wonder how far behind the drives are. I also wonder if SATA-II drives will display a more substantial performance increase or if it is another fancy interface standard with the same old stuff behind it.)

    I use 80-conductor cables on both channels and Cable Select on all drives. That makes shuffling around much easier ...... ;) ...... !

    Christer
     
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