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Defrag - HD causes defrag to stop responding.

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    bluzkat

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    clif,
    Glad to hear you got it straightened out. You should be able to allocate that small amount of space and merge it with the other partition. It won't cause any problems if you leave it. Might be a good idea to check your disks for errors (chkdsk) just to be safe. Once again... glad things are straightened out.

    B :cool:
     
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    Hi Mr. B,

    I got one of them (there were 2) merged into the last drive. Had to remove the
    Acronis secure zone before it would work tho. BTW: the Acronis bootable CD
    works good.

    The other 7.8xx MB unallocated space is located in front of the G drive. No
    luck with that yet but i'm working with acronis, be interesting to see what they
    say.

    again, thanks for the help,
    savagcl
     
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    Christer

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    The issue is solved but I still want to make a comment on the quoted post. Maybe Partition Magic, of which I have no experience, uses a different terminology but the above was confusing to me.

    "The *Primary* (extended) partition C, holds your OS and is bootable. "
    A partition is either primary or extended.

    "... then another *primary* that holds your *logical* drives D, E, and F. "
    Logical partitions are created within an extended partition. An extended partition doesn't work without logical partition(s).

    "Then for your 2nd HD a *primary* (extended) that holds the *logical* drives G, H, I, and J. "
    Again, primary is not the same as extended. The second HDD doesn't need a primary. It only needs an extended with the desired number of logicals.

    ...... :confused: ...... Christer ...... :confused: ......
     
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    Christer,
    You are correct.
    Only 1 primary is required, more than 1 is only needed for a different OS.
    One extended is required and it contains all of the logical partitions, even across
    physical HD's.

    I seem to remember (not to be taken as factual) back in the old days, that
    each physical HD did need a primary and 1 extended containing inbedded logicals
    This was probably even before home users tho.......

    thanks,
    savagcl
     
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    Chister,
    When I read through that post again it is confusing and I would probably change one thing in the first section:

    "The *Primary* (extended) partition C, holds your OS and is bootable. "

    I would remove the "(extended)" from the first statement and amend it to the second statement.

    "... then another *primary* (extended) that holds your *logical* drives D, E, and F. "
    I think I added that "extended" tag as an afterthought and stuck it in the wrong line.

    For the third statement:

    "Then for your 2nd HD a *primary* (extended) that holds the *logical* drives G, H, I, and J. "

    It would have been better (and more correct) to just use "extended ". PM calls an extended partition a "primary" partition. I've used PartitionMagic for several years and most of what I've learned about hard drives and partitions has come from using PM. If I muddied the water here... I didn't mean to. Thanks for the heads up.

    Check the attached picture taken from PM.

    Thanks again.

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    Christer

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    clif,

    You have to create an extended partition on each harddisk where You want logical partitions but it can be said that "it goes across physical harddisks" since in Windows, those drive letters end up in a consecutive row after all the primary driveletters ...... :p ...... unless the user shifts them around.

    Mr. B,
    I suspected that Partition Magic was using a "lingo" of its own. I wonder if people who design programs like that are rebels ...... :rolleyes: ...... going against convention for the "You know what" of it!

    That, of course, assumes that there is a convention!

    Thanks for the screenshot, very enlightening!

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    Christer,

    Right again! (Hey, thats at least 2 today), give yourself a gold star.

    2nd HD must have an extension then the logical(s) can be applied within it.
    Sorry bout the mis-communication but it happens.

    Dont want to pass bad info for others who may be reading this thread.

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    That's why I'm nit-picking ...... :p ...... strange how easy it is to notice other peoples small mistakes but ignore Your own ...... :eek: ...... !

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    I've seen that once or twice before. I setup a HDD using the manufacturers utility, that should be most widely recognised. I just use PM for rearranging the partition sizes. Setting up a HDD using WinXP...not for me. Acronis...special drives... :confused:. Glad you solved it.

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    Matt,

    I find WinXP Disk Management to work very well. The only issue is if a pre-SP1-CD is used. It doesn't support 48-bit Logical Block Addressing (LBA) for drives larger than 137GB. You can create the system partition which usually is considerably smaller, install WinXP and then SP2 before assigning the rest of the harddisk space to other partitions.

    Since Windows is going to run on the harddisk, I let Windows set it up.

    Using different utilities to do the setup may sound good to some people but I have read about enough problems with e.g. Partition Magic to stay away from it. Specifically, PM rearranging partitions which make them not work well or not at all with Norton Ghost. (Maybe that's why Symantec bought PowerQuest?)

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    I did manage to stumble through XP Disk Manager, first time i used it and it was
    just luck, well, maybe a little experience. :rolleyes:

    You just opened a different train of thought there. Obviously, i had WinXP,
    Disk #1, and PM already set up. Then came SP2, and then me using DM for
    Disk #2, in that order. So, another element is added into the mix.

    WinXP was working fine even after SP2. Again i was lucky, no puter problems
    at all after installing SP2. I did not re-install PM after SP2, (no reason to) and
    i dont know if DM changed for SP2. If i had to poinr my finger at one of them
    as the source of the problem, it would have to be PM.

    Probably will never know the real reason it goofed up but its done now.
    So on to the whats next catagory.

    Once again guys, i really appreciate the help and support that you guys and
    this forum have given me over time.

    savagcl
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