networking XP & 98

I have win xp on one computor and win 98 se on another I am trying to connect network but dont seems to get it working, the two computors work independlently on the internet, win xp says its set up for network and when I take the disk and put it in win 98 se and run it , it tells me cant indentify hardware tells me to install hardware and try again, can anyone help pls

Dawson

 

How are you trying to connect them? Ethernet network card, USB, how?

 

Windows 98 generally needs more settings added manually to network in the TCP/IP properties, like DNS servers and domain suffix etc, but need more info to help you. As newts says how are you networking, and what cable, switch, etc are you using?

 

neywork

Sorry:
I have ethernet cards in both computors the dsl is connected to ethernet hub and the win 98 comp and the win xp pro are both connected to the ethernet hub

 

network

I have ethernet cards in both computors, I have dsl modem connected to a Ethernet Hub and both computors connected to the Ethernet Hub, and they work the internet separately.

 

I have found that not be the case.

1 XP pro and 2 98SE machines all plugged into ( originally a Router with a 4 port Switch/DHCP Server ) and all I ever did was set the Network settings to Auto obtain address. But I also have NetBeui installed on the 98SE machines.

Could that have something to do with the probelm ? ( HUB that is )

BillyBob

 

I have found it is safer as a tech to suggest people use complete manual settings in 98 networking, as some people will need things like DNS server settings and gateway IPs to access a shared internet connection, no matter what OS the ICS host PC is using. If all people had DSL routers with DHCP server ON, maybe it would be different, but many have modem internet and PPPoE DSL and simple ISP supplied DSL modems. None of these have DHCP capability. And not all OS versions are capable of Windows DHCP serving.

So i suggest what will work for all people, not just those with certain routers. If you put in the full settings in win98 it wont hurt if you also have a router with DHCP on, on the network, but if you have no device on the network with DHCP capabilities, not having the settings in 98 will mean it wont work.

Dawson, if you like, tell me the following info and i will give you personal instruction on how to set your PC up.

-Domain suffix of your ISP eg ispname.com
-Find out from your ISP the Primary and Secondary DNS server addresses
-Give me the IP of your internet router or of the PC being used as a gateway (ie the one sharing its connection if applicable)
-The full computer name of your PC

 

Unless I missed something I see no mention anywhere about a Router.

You did not answer this question.

However I do agree about needing a different setup when using SHARING That is exactly why I got away from SHARING

BillyBob

 

I dont have a router, just the modem connected to the the ethernet card and a etherner hub to connect two computers,because I'm a beginner I have no Idea when to find that info..

Dawson

 

I am glad to see that I did read correctly about no Router.

This now involves a whole new ballgame in which I have never been involved. It is indeed different than what I am used to. And you have DSL which may be a bit different also.

I have never had to do anything other than install the NIC. Plug it in to the Router and GO. But again. I have an entirely different setup. A Router and a Switch make life much easier. At least it has for me. And I have run anything from 98FE up to and encluding XP Pro. Including any and all service packs.

BillyBob

 

Dawson - give Dez the info he asked for and he (or someone else here) can get you going pretty easily.

Not sure why but the way you tried to set up 98 using the wizard disk set up by XP should work but often does not. Other XP systems would probably do perfectly but otherwise, it's a better idea to do the setup manually.

 

dhcp server 198.164.30.47
dns 198.164.4.2
ip address 142.162.147.49

Here is my setup.I have a dsl modem connected to the high speed line, then I go from the modem to a ethernet hub 5 ports and from the hub to the two computors one with xp pro the other 98se, I used the wizard from win xp pro and it sets up and tells me its set up ok. then I take the diskette and put in the 98se computor and it runs and then comes back with (unable to identify the hardware install hardware and try again). now these two computors worked fine on the internet and file and printer shareing when I had win 2000 pro on the first computor that now has xp pro,however when I had win 2000 taken off and replaced with xp pro cannot get it to work since. however, these two computors work find through the hub for individually connecting to the internet its just for sharing, about the info you requested, as stated I am a beginner . how do I get that info ? Trust this gives you some insight into my problem

Dawson

 

-Domain suffix of your ISP eg ispname.com > call your ISP
-Find out from your ISP the Primary and Secondary DNS server addresses >call your ISP
-Give me the IP of your internet router or of the PC being used as a gateway (ie the one sharing its connection if applicable) > click start - run - type cmd (a command prompt opens up) type ipconfig /all
-The full computer name of your PC > right click "my computer ", properties, computer name tab.

That will work on your xp box. Been a while since working on a 98 box, start, prog files, accessories, command prompt? And then winipcfg? Start, run, winipcfg? Oh the cobwebs

Hopefully that will give Dez enough to get you fixed.

 

After telling me that it worked before you upped one PC to XP got me thinking i may suggest some simpler things to check first, as the full manual settings in win98 will take a lot of typing that may not be necessary. They would be pretty certain to work, but long to explain or instruct you on.

It was very important for me to know your internet works ok on both PCs right now, and you just cant share files or printers. If your internet works, your router is probably handling IPs with its DHCP server and all the manual IP settings may not be necessary. What i am thinking now is one of these things are wrong:

>Both PCs are not using the same Workgroup name. This is my first choice. In XP go to Control Panel-System-Computer Name to check or change workgroup name. In 98 go to Control Panel-Network-Identification to do the same. Make sure they match!

or

>You have a firewall on your PC that needs a rule or 2 removed (a block on LAN traffic or file sharing) or a rule added (to allow traffic on your LAN). Windows own firewall in SP2 does not need these rules nor does it block LAN traffic by default.

> I assume that you have something shared on the 98 machine to access from the XP one (a drive, folder and or printer), as it worked when the XP PC had 2000 on it.

There are other possible reasons your setup isnt working but i favour these few for now, until you tell me i am wrong. Then i will elaborate on other things like giving each PC a static IP, static gateway and DNS server paths instead of all being auto detect.

For now i am betting on the workgroup name as your windows 2000 PC probably had a different workgroup name than the XP one has by default.

The most common 2 reasons i see network PCs not talking if all equipment is functional is Workgroup name not matching and the 2 PCs not being on teh same subnet (IP range like 192.168.0.1, 192,168.0.2...)

If this doesnt work, let me know.

 

Dawson,
first quote is correct for setting up ICS, quote 2 won't work (via hub) because both pc's are connected to the modem and possibly requesting IP's. (would work if it was a router though, then using the xp wizard would create headaches).

Perhaps in the switch from W2K to XP the pc wasn't hooked back up properly?

Are you absolutely sure it's a hub and not a router? They look similar. If your not sure get the model number and post.

 

Dawson,

Can't find much on this with the numbers you gave. Let's assume it's a regular hub. Your dsl router will go to NIC #1 of your XP box, NIC #2 would plug into the hub along with pc#2. XP wizard should work now.

Could the new pc have been hooked up incorrectly?

 

I am using Gnet solo service 5-port 10mbps Ethernet hub SS0010


Dawson

 

OK, since you're using a hub: modem plugged into nic #1 on main pc. Hub plugged into nic #2 on main pc and also 98 pc. Can you confirm this setup for me? In one of your earlier posts you mentioned the modem plugged directly into the hub (which won't work).

 

Sorry for the delay
I tried your suggestion about the work group they are both set to MSHOME
and it still comes back with (unable to indentify hardware)