Java -- again!!!

Using Moz 1.7 -- no probs -- except Java. I removed all traces of M$ Java many many moons ago, IE is onl bare bones version 6, Outlook and Outlook Expr.
are not installed. I don't have SP1 or SP1a installed either -- since late 2001! Removed these using Gibson's little gems, etc.

All going well except Java. I check with HP at least once or twice a month on various programs I have in use. Some of the selection on these pages use Java Script and I'm left helpless. Just doesn't work -- no errors given either.

Is there some way to make this Sun Java work with my version of Mozilla? Are there some kind of Xp services (I've disabled more than half of em -- two years ago) that Sun Java needs that I may have disabled?

Not a crucial problem but sure is a pain!
Any thoughts out there?

I'm using HP Laptop zt1130, 256 RAM, 1.3 gb Celeron, Mozilla 1.7.

Bob

 

What are you having problems with Java, or JavaScript. These are two different things. Unfortunately named, but different.

If it is java, do you have the JRE(Java Runtime Environment) installed
I think this is the right page http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp

HH

 

Mozilla 1.7 is in a Release Candidate 2 stage, this means there could be bugs in it, and maybe you have discovered one.
But, if you were to go into Control Panel\Java Plugin, click on Browser tab, and make sure the option for Mozilla is checked, other than that I have no other suggestions.

 

Java headache

Sorry, I mislead you guys. I'm using Moz. 1.6 not 1.7. I usually wait for the regular releases -- less buggy, usually no problems to speak of.

I tried to find the Java Control Panel and it's disappeared. I'll try uninstalling and reinstalling (clean install that is) and see how that turns out.

Will let ya'll know. And thanks for the quick replies.

Bob

 

Java nuisance

Uninstalled Java, cleared registry and all that good stuff. Reinstalled, but still have same symptom. My complaint deals with JavaScript rather than Jave, as first reported.

Currently, have J2re1.4.2_04 installed. Win Xp Home (NO SP1), 1.13 gb Celeron, HP zt1130 Notebood, 256 RAM, Zone Alarm 5.x (free), E-trust 6.1.x, AVG 6, Spybot S&D, AdAware 6.
Gibson (grc.com) reports all ports at stealth level of protect as well as shared files, etc.

HP.Com uses JavaScript in some places, especially the security pages, e.g., selecting a placing an order for products and viewing enlarged pics of products.

JavaScript info at bottom of browser reads:
"Javascript: openwin ( "/shipping'html/popup/epromo.html',600,400); "

Java is enabled

Have JavaScript enabled under Preferences, Advanced, Scripts&Plug-ins: Navigator - enabled; Mail$NewsGroups - Not enabled; Mail&Newsgroups plug-ins - Not enabled.

Maybe this info will help in getting this "thing" working as it should.

TIA,
Bob

 

Hi Bob,

Give us a couple of links, and let me see what, if anything, happens. I run Windows 98SE, but that shouldn't matter.

Thanks!

Ramona

 

JavaScript nuisance

Ramono,
Here is one as an example. This symptom crops up with other web pages as well, making it almost impossible to navigate. Real nuisance.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/...e_type=product_detail&product_code=Q2232A#ABA

Sorry it's so long.

Bob

 

Bob,

I was able to get the "Enlarge" window for the camera, and the Macromedia Flash Demo. Do you have the Macromedia Flash Player installed? The latest Version is 7,0,19,0, and can be downloaded here: Flash Player

I was also able to add the camera to my shopping cart? I'm not certain what's going on with you. Is this something that has just started happening, or has it always been this way?

Ramona

P.S. If you by chance have Firefox 0.8 installed, then see if you have the same results...

 

Javascript - yuk

Tried again -- same results. Will d/l Firefox and try that tomorrow. Thanks for your efforts. There has to be a simple explaination for this.

Bob

 

Just curious here, but you have E-trust 6.1.x and AVG 6 installed at the same time? Not good, use one or the other.

 

Javascript

Mark62,

I use AVG 6 and E-Trust separately, neither are permitted to work in the background. Had big problems (another 'puter) with Norton's, etc. -- won't touch 'em! I'm quite paranoid about this sort of thing.

Nothing is automatic, if I can help it. Same with Spybot S&D and AdAware 6. Only ZoneAlarm, StartUp Monitor and WebWasher are allowed to run automatically. No server rights for anything. If a program "requires" such, it is immediately uninstalled! I don't use IE at all and never installed Outlook or Outlook Expr. Messenger, et al were all uninstalled. I have not installed Xp SP1 -- not to be trusted -- look at it's history. I have a copy of it tho -- just in case.

It's sometimes a pain to have to do so much w/o the "automatics ", but then again, in about three years, no virii, no malware, etc. That's not to say there aren't attempts. My ZoneAlarm (vers 5, BTW) log is full in just a matter of minutes by penetration attempts. BTW, MailWasher does a fine job, permitting me to view my email at the server -- not on my computer. If it looks weird in any way it's dumped! I certainly recommend this program to everyone.

Thanks, tho, for your interest. We all have to help each other in this "cyber war ".

This started with a short two sentence response and grew to this! Apologies to all. Hopefully, it might help someone.

Bob

 

FireFox

Ramona,

D/L Firefox 0.8. Same results. In fact FF is quite slow compared to Mozilla 1.6 browser (???). Displays the html code and after a period of time pops the page up as it should be. Don't like it at all. Back to Moz. 1.6.

So, the plot thickens.

Bob

 

Just only running one AV program at one time or neither, while two are installed will still create problems.
During the startup process of windows, Virtual Device Drivers with the VXD file extension, and Dynamic Link Libraries with the DLL file extension, are loaded into memory. Regardless of which AV program you choose to run at startup, or neither one, VXD and DLL files from both AV programs are loaded into memory, no matter what. They will conflict.
E Trust has it's files loaded, and AVG has it's files loaded. The only way to prevent this is to uninstall one.
While Service Pack 1 is not to be trusted, Service Pack 1a can be, there are a lot of OS bugs in the original version of XP, thus the Service Packs. These aren't just security updates.
Here is a list of 'fixes'.

 

SP1 vs SP1a

Yes, I'm familiar with the list. Most of the items were killed or removed some years ago -- way before SP1 -- manually. And Gibson's items do a fine job on UPNP and the like. My services list is bear bones minimum. I have yet to experience a "incapatability" issue. I use the AV programs separately and manually. No conflicts so far.

BTW I'm not alone. There are many, many others that have taken the route I have with the same results.

I think I'll stay with my system -- no mishaps yet -- 3 years! My computer needs are rather simple and that might have a lot to do with my success so far. Time will tell.

I do have SP1a on hand -- just in case. So far, haven't needed it. I use TrueImage so I can completely wipe out and reinstall my harddrive w/o losing any apps, data or OS files.

Thanks again,
Bob

 

Bob,

In Preferences | Privacy and Security | Pop up Windows
Have you tried adding the HP sites that you want access?

Grasping at straws...

Ramona

 

Javascript

Ramona,
Yep, I tried that first thing. Nothing seems to make a difference. I went to library and now reading up on javascript. Boy, that's complicated stuff for this old brain to deal with. I have some programming experience -- Machine code, QuickBasic, etc. but not doing so well with this.

Oh, well, like they say, it's hard to teach an old, old dog new tricks -- and they're right!

I'm about to give up on this thing. I did note that some javascript on other web pages work. Wonder if this is a case of old MS's Jscript in use by HP.COM? JScript was not always very sympathetic to other browsers -- especially Mozilla. Just a thought.

Thanks for the try though. But don't waste your time on this one. I thought it would be a simple answer, but apparently that's not the case.

Many, many thanks for your efforts and patience -- and with the other exchanges that transpired on this thread.

Bob

 

Jscript (JS, JSE files) uses Wscript.Exe [Cscript.Exe in Dos) to execute it's code. This is the executable file that is also used to run Visual Basic script (VBS, VBE files). Much like how GWBasic, and QuickBasic worked, it is a descendant of it.