Upgrade to WIn98se without Regular Upgrade

I couldn't find the regular upgrade fo WIn98 so I got the win98se (luckily). How do I upgrade WIN95 to 98SE without teh regular upgrade?

Also, if I upgraded to SE, is there a way I can get rid of the 95 stuff to save disk space or does 98SE just overwrite the data? I want to have as much memory as possible.

 

98 overwrites the 95 stuff.
Open Explorer, browse to c:\windows
Rename win.com to win.bak or win.old
DO NOT restart the computer.
Run setup.exe from the Win98CD.
Make sure you change the install folder from c:\windows.000 to c:\windows
All your settings will be kept intact.

 

I noticed you double posted in the NT forum also. What OS is currently on the computer, 95 or NT?
Or is this two different computers?

 

Whew! Good thing I'm not Taliban, mark. You would have caught me!!

It's two different cpu's. I had the 95 for a while. Just nabbed the NT. Trying to get them all (I have a WIN98SE that is my mainframe, if you want to call it that) networked but want 98SE at LEAST running in them.

When you (reboot) say "Open Explorer ", do you mean "Run' from the Start menu or do I open it another way? Maybe I need to be hooked on phonics because I'm twisted like Dreadlocks!!

 

Things to make sure of during the upgrade.

1--Do not boot from the HD to install 98SE. Boot directly to the floppy froma POWER OFF state.

If you can it is better to copy the contents of the Win98 folder of the CD to a folder on the HD. ( OTHER THAN the C: drive if possible )

2--Make sure that the 98SE goes into the existing Windows folder. Booting from a floppy should do it anyway but just make sure.

3--By booting from the floppy SE also does a better job of overwriting stuff.

If you have 98SE, you have the better version.

BillyBob

 

Since you have the regular 98Se CD, if it is an OEM CD, such as one 'only for distribution with a new computer', the only sliight problem is that is searches for an already installed operating system. As Reboot posted, a simple renaming of a file gets around that, and the current 95 will be upgraded.
Full, OEM and Upgrade 98SE CD's are all capable of upgrading 95.
And it is better to copy the setup files onto the hard drive, then run the install from that folder, as BillyBob suggested. A good side affect from this is that you will not be prompted in insert the 98 CD when and if needed later on. The files will be simply retrieved.
Since you seem to have 95 operating as it is, simply use Windows Explorer to create a folder named C:\Win98 on the hard drive, and copy only the files from the Win98 folder on the 98 CD, there are 98 of them. You do not need anything from the subfolders OLS and TOUR.
Create a bootdisk, 95 will work or use one created from your working 98Se, boot the computer with it, you do not need CD rom support, and use these commands to run the upgrade setup. At the A:\> prompt use these commands.
ren c:\windows\win.com win.bak
c:\win98\setup
It should take off from there. As posted before, make sure it installs in C:\Windows, or things will get complicated.
Starting the install when booted off of a bootdisk insures 95 files will be upgraded. When starting the install using Windows, not all file are upgraded. There will still be some leftovers.

The best way to insure there are none is to find the hardware drivers while 95 is still running and you can find out what the hardware is. Then format the drive, and do a clean install.
This way, during the install process you can do a Custom Install, and there is a prompt for it, and only install what you want. If you decide to do this, you might want to include Paint, as some printers [HP comes to mind on this] need a certain DLL file that is installed along with it.

 

"Open Explorer "= Start > Programs > Windows Explorer.
As for what BillyBob posted:
#1, you do not need to boot from a floppy.
#2, I already said that, and booting from a floppy does NOT guarantee anything.
#3, Nope. The system will restart automatically to perform the install.

 

Thanks BillyBob, rebbot and Mark!

Your UConn Tshirts are in the mail!!!! LOL!!

Nah, seriously, I did it and it worked. Much appreciated!

 

Good news, and enjoy!

 

MY thinking/reasoning about booting directly to a floppy from a power off state.

OK if you did then I missed it.

Booting from the Floppy DOES guarantee something. IT FULLY assures that NONE OF THE old OS get loaded into RAM. Which for a good clean install is what you want. You just need to MAKE SURE that it gets installed to the EXISTING Windows folder.

If you boot Directly to the CD then it may be OK. But does 98SE have bootable CD? I have one but I made it not Windows.

Booting to the Command prompt then the CD is not too bad but there is STILL a chance that some of the previous OS stuff gets loaded. And if it is loaded it MAY NOT get overwritten properly.

The HD that I am running on right now was ORIGIANALLY a WIN 3.1. OS. on a 20gig

95 a over it
95b ( ORS2 ) over it.

98 over it.

98SE over it ( on a 40gig )

XP Pro over it. ( on an 80gig )

Western Digital did an excellent job of copying one dirve to another.

And all but XP Pro the machines was booted from a Floppy.

In all of this I never lost a thing. Except in XP I did lose a couple of DOS things but it was AUDIO setup not XP. Once I fixed the Autoexec.bat all was well.

I was told that this crappola would not work Well it has. and worked VERY well.

I know this is QUITE different than what most users do. BUT IT WORKS.

My existing Autoexec.bat. It is ( other than AVG ) it is IDENTICAL to the WIN95 one )

@H:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG6\bootup.exe
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6
SET SBPCI=C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\AUDIO\DOSDRV
SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\;E:\IMS;E:\QTW\BIN;H:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG6

My existing Config.sys

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
FILES=50
BUFFERS=30

But as you can se the CDROM is not loaded. That did cause some problems.

It is true that Windows does not need them, but DOS software does need them.

When MS says XP will not support an Auteoxec.bat or Config.sys they are way off of their ever loving rocker.

But again if no DOS software is used they are not needed but there no harm in having them either.

And if they were not there during the XP install I might not be able to use them. That I do not know.

When I install and OS I think of what I WANT it to do. Not what MS thinks.

BillyBob

PS
If you do not see anything from me for a time there is a reason.

My Wife is in the Hospital with a Heart Rythumn problem. ( was going from 60-120 and back. ( OUCH !!) But I got her to the ER quick enough ( even against her will ) so that they got help for her and they say there is NO heart damage.

{PHHHEEEWWWW !!! )

I like being part of this BBS but The wife MUST come first. I will have some close watching and monitoring duties for a few days. And they are also setting up for a home Nurse to come every day or two for a few days.

My HARDEST job is going to be keeping her OUT OF the kitchen on Sunday. I told her that she could supervise and I will do the work.

She tells me that she will have the hardest job

BillyBob

 

bigboscoe. glad it worked
BB, From windows, insert cd, start setup...the computer will restart anyhow, before continuting the setup, thus accomplishing exactly the same thing as starting to a floppy, with no need to know any DOS commands.
Win98SE CD is bootable, win95 is not. (afaik)

Why are you still using a DOS init for a sound card?
It's a totally useless TSR.
Windows drivers will run it, even if running DOS programs from a prompt.

 

If you run setup right from the CD it might do it that way I do not know. I do not do it quite that way.

I change the path to [CDROM]:/Win98 folder. That gets away from a lot of the unneeded trash at the beginning.

But I only install 98 from the CD once anyway. All other time I copied the contents of the Win98 folder to an Options folder on the HD in a partition other than C:. Cleaned up the unneeded folders ( for me anyway ) leaving just the Actaul Setup files.

That way also Windows can go get any files it may need without bugging me.

What you says SHOULD BE true. But it is not. I have ( or at least had ) one DOS program the required lines in both the config.sys and Autoxec.bat.

But I am chuckeling a bit mysefl.

1-- I do not have a Creative folder. ( but did at one time )
2-- I do not have a SB card. ( using AC97 onboard Audio )
3--Those lines were not there and I have NO IDEA as to what software put them there.
4--I am surprised that I do not get errors at boot up.

But my main point was ( or was supposed to be ) that YOU CAN have a config.sys and Autoexec.bat with XP PRO.

The Path statement does work and is needed by one of may older WINDOWS programs. ( the ;E:\IMS;E:\QTW\BIN; part )

Set Temp works great.

BillyBob

 

95 to 98SE probs; Tried options before coming on thread with ?

Okay, I am a village idiot!

I have a Windows 98SE install CD ...

I followed "reboots" above instructions (trying to upgrade 95 to 98SE on daughter's older Tosh laptop - not that old.

I still get the "SU 1068" Msg that I need 98 upgrade.

Here is what I did exactly:
1. Renamed win.com to win.old
2. Ran Set-up.exe from CD
After the program competed the C-check, etc, I got the message that I needed the upgrade disk. I never got to the point of making install folder called c:\windows, if I have this all correct.

Seems to me this should not be that complicated, but then again, I do not do this everyday and am a "VI. "

And, if I may add this ?: (Please bear with me) What does this mean exactly? - Do not boot from the HD to install 98SE. Boot directly to the floppy from a POWER OFF state. "

Now, I will sit in the corner with my pointed hat on. Thanks for help...
Hive

 

That means exactly what it says.

With the machine powered off, insert the bootable floppy and the start then machine. Then run Setup from where ever the Win98 Setup files are loacated.
As was mentioned the best place for them is on the HD in a partition OTHER than C:

This 100% assures that NOTHING will be loaded from the HD untill at least the first restart during the Windows install.

Of course this does mean that the the boot sequence in the BIOS must be set to A:\ C:\. Or A: CRDOM: C:

None of that is revelvant if you boot directly to the floppy and run setup from the Win98 Folder on the CD. You just need to make sure that Windows does go back into the existing folder. Usually no problem when booting from the Floppy as the install does not even see the existing Windows install.

The Files in the Win98 folder are the same on the full install as they are on the upgrade. ( as far as I know they are anyway )

BillyBob

 

I take it that you have 95 installed. Is that correct ?

If you do have do you get that error if you boot to a 95 startup ( or any DOS boot disk ), changethe path to something like D:\Win98 and then run setup.

D:\ of course being the letter asigned to the CDROM.

Or can you copy the FULL Win98 folder on the CD to the HD ( other than C: ) and run setup from there after booting from the floppy ?

To the best of my knowledge the ONLY difference between the Full and Upgrade CDs is the fact that the full does not required a proveious version of Windows.

The full CD does. But does it if you run setup from the Win98 folder and not right from the CD. I cannot answer that.

BillyBob

 

Or at least have the 95 disks as proof of ownership of a prevous version.

BB

 

Take my virtual hand - 95 is OS and have original boot disk etc.

BillyBob, I appreciate your help ...Geemaneegosh! Let's see if I have the process correctly.

1. I add a partition to the disk, say D, using FDISK in DOS - or can I do in Windows?

2. I shut down and then cold start machine with the original "CD-Rom Setup Bootable" disk in drive A.

3. Change drives to the CD and "run setup from the Win98 Folder on the CD," making "sure that Windows does go back into the existing folder. "

Remembering I am still in corner with pointed hat on, some ?s I have:

1. With A prompt on screen, is next command: ren c:\windows\win.com win.bak then c:\win98\setup? (reboot's comment above)

2. "existing folder" is what? Especially if win.com is changed to win.bak or win.old? Or, as you said, not relevant!

Sorry to be so basic, but I remain somewhat unclear on the steps and do not want to ***** anything up.

 

1. I add a partition to the disk, say D, using FDISK in DOS - or can I do in Windows?

Lets leave the extra partition out of this for now

2. I shut down and then cold start machine with the original "CD-Rom Setup Bootable" disk in drive A.

Any bootable floppy that will give you CDROM support is fine.

3. Change drives to the CD and "run setup from the Win98 Folder on the CD," making "sure that Windows does go back into the existing folder. "

Yes to setup from the Win98 folder.

During the install you will be asked for two things. May not be in the order that I write but they will be there.

1a- You will be asked for a proof of ownership of a previous version of Windows. You will need to insert the Win95CD and it should be OK.

2a-You will be asked for a location to install Windows. It is normally C:\Windows. And it should show that as the default location when you install the way we are looking at because at this time the install does NOT EVEN KNOW Windows already exists. and this is what you want.

Remembering I am still in corner with pointed hat on, some ?s I have:

Yours truley has been in that corner too.

1. With A prompt on screen, is next command: ren c:\windows\win.com win.bak then c:\win98\setup? (reboot's comment above)

I have absolutley no idea what that is all about. I have never evne thought about renaming anything let alone do it.

2. "existing folder" is what? Especially if win.com is changed to win.bak or win.old? Or, as you said, not relevant!

Existing folder is by default C:\Windows. But check YOUR machine to make sure that is where it is.

Now I must say here that I am refering to the re-install/upgrade using the UPGRADE CD. Not the full CD. There may be a difference that I am not aware of.

Sorry to be so basic, but I remain somewhat unclear on the steps and do not want to ***** anything up.

Absolutely no problem there. I had to learn once too. And the way I do ( have written ) things IS NOT the MS way. Their way STINKS. And I have NEVER had a problem. The HD that I am working from right now was originall Win95b ( OSR2 ) on a 40gig HD. Went to 98SE and is now WinXP Pro on an eighty gig HD and HAS NOT been formated yet.

Aslo doing it the way I do keeps all ( or at least most ) the current software settings etc.

But one thing I just did think of. It is a good idea to set the Video back to Standard VGA setting before attempting the install. for one reason the 95 drivers and the 98 driver are ( or can be ) quite different.

BillyBob

 

My problems

BillyBob, Thanks for help.

This cd is full version and I assume the upgrade the system keeps asking for is what I should have; however, I figuered there must be someway that full one can be used to complete the up grade as the data on the cd is the same for both, or am I off the planet there?

 

I cannot honestly answer that because I have never used the full version CD.

BillyBob