Finding Files

Att: markp62
made the changes as suggested in your last link.
Started up in MS-DOS and the following was found:
file is missing or corrupted: C:\CDROM\OAKCDROM.SYS
Error in config.sys on line 15 (did hold delete down for 2 seconds and saved). Following comments made as well:
Device driver not found 'IDECDOOO'
No valid CDROM driver selected
Go back to your previous link where you suggested ren c:\autoexec.dos autoexec.bak and
c:\ config.dos config.bak
These were not found
Refer to my link about dosboot which you did not reply to but goddezz1 did. Could not change to use current MS-DOS configuration from Suggest MS-DOS mode as necessary.
Did not make the adjustments as you suggested in the same link as copy c:\config.sys config.old and
copy c:\autoexec.bat autoexec.old
Should I still do this?
Should I still follow the instructions about opening notepad etc.
In the last link you said to put the clean.bat file into windows folder. I assume you mean to download it from the web page as I would download any other file.

 

Got some "Hit the F3 key for File Find Popup" File Finds for ya':
Do you have a dosstart.bat?
Do you have a winstart.bat?

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Let's try an experiment.

*From the startbutton "Run" line
*Type msconfig hit enter
*From the Application popup, Click on the General Tab
*Put a check in Selective Startup "
*Leave everything checked except Config.sys and Autoexec.bat

Apply (save the changes and close msconfig)
Shutdown/Restart your computer first and than "restart in dosmode "

On a personal note....I hope this isn't stressing you out.
This error is not a big deal unless you need cdrom support in dos. Your cdrom does function while in windows, doesn't it? As for a dos cdrom, a proper bootdisk will load one up for you should it be needed. The main purpose of trying to stop this error is because it isn't suppose to be and under normal circumstances is quite easy to fix.

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Got any Msdos icons in the c:\windows folder?
Here's an example of what your looking for:
http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/cjex/htmls/dosload.html
Ignore all in the link above I just used it because it has the icon I'm talking about in it.

 

My 'copy config.sys config.old" was only a way to back up the config.sys as it is. It copies Config.Sys as a new file named Config.Old
If you used Sysedit to edit the Config.Sys, you'll find a file named Config.Syd, this is Sysedit's way of backing up the file before editing. The same result is achieved, just the last three letters [file extension] are different.
Try Goddezz's suggestion about using Msconfig.

 

Have a dosstart.bat file in C:\Windows\DOSSTART.Bat
Type MS-DOS Batch File
Do not appear to have a winstart.bat file
On General tab for msconfig Selective Startup was already selected including config.sys and autoexec.bat. Unticked and left the rest ticked as suggested.
Shutdown computer and restarted in MS-DOS
same screen came up with the same issues still there.
How do I know if my cdrom works in windows? I went back to windows and put a music CD in my CD ROM. It loaded but no sound came. Is that because I made the above changes?
I am not sure of your last instruction i.e. got any Msdos icons in the c "\windows folder. I used F3 to access File Find popup and typed in windows. Did not see an icon for ms-dos but Iam not sure what you were trying to tell by the url.

 

Right click on Dosstart.Bat, select Edit, and post the contents.

 

att: markp62

@echo off
REM To make a DOS Boot Diskette, see the file C:\DosBoot\DosBoot.txt.

set path=c:\windows\command

mscdex.exe /d:IDECD000 /L:M

SET PROMPT=$p$g
SET TEMP=C:\windows\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\windows\TEMP

set DosOnly=1
call c:\dosboot\mousie.bat

c:\windows\smartdrv /q
c:
cd \windows

REM to enable ZIP support in DOS:
REM 1) cd C:\IOMEGA
REM 2) run IOMEGA.EXE
REM 3) then uncomment the following line
REM C:\IOMEGA\GUEST.EXE

REM for DOS Networking including most networked games,
REM read the file IPX.BAT and then uncomment the following
REM CALL C:\DOSBOOT\IPX.BAT

Here it is.

 

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Hi Markp62,
Your typing fingers must be spewing smoke. You beat me to it....


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As for the browsing in the c:\windows folder for ms dos icons, I was hoping that it would be easier for you to spot your "exit to dos" shortcut by looking for the icon it uses.

You could do a file find but will have to uncheck the "include subfolder" option and type in the "named" type-in field shortcut to ms dos program. Then type in the "Look in" type-in fieldc:\windows

 

Change this line,

mscdex.exe /d:IDECD000 /L:M

to

REM mscdex.exe /d:IDECD000 /L:M

If you do not have the folder C:\dosboot or if you do and if Mousie.Bat does not exist, change

call c:\dosboot\mousie.bat

to

REM call c:\dosboot\mousie.bat

This could be the line 15 error. I believe this would have been loading a mouse driver for dos. When you selected Edit, I am sure you noticed it opened in Notepad, when done just Save it.

 

att: goddez1

Since you edited out your link I assume you agree with the instructions given by markp62. Pls. confirm
Do I go back and switch back the box I unclicked for selective startup.
Following your instructions I did go in and MSDOS name: DOSPRMPT.PIF. was found in c:\windows. Is this what you wanted me to find. If so what next.

 

You can trust Mark's judgement calls implicitly. I wish I had 1/10th the knowledge he does. They will not cause any perminent harm and can be easily reversed. If he suggests anything that may be riskier he will warn you ahead of of time but yes Remarking out these lines is in an effort to find out what is causing windows to gripe when you enter dosmode.

Just remember to check and see if the mousie.bat is in c:\dosboot folder before Remming it out. This would be providing a mouse in dosmode, if the *.bat exists. Remming it would leave you mouseless when you need it. Come to think of it, this would also be determined by what is in the mousie.bat. Sheesh this is snowball....

It's to early yet to undo msconfigs selective startup. We're still trying to track down the cause of the gripe.

===Is that all the ms dos shortcuts?====
Nope dosprompt.pif is the "dos in a box" from within windows. We're looking for the one used when you exit or restart in dosmode.

 

Att: markp62
I was not questioning your instructions but merely confirming that you both agree on the course of action suggested. As Ann knows I am not very confident in what I am doing and don't always understand why we are doing a certain thing.
Last link:
I do have c:\dosboot and mousie.bat within dosboot. Its path is c:\DOSBOOT\MOUSIE.BAT
This is what is in mousie.bat
@echo off
set mouse=c:\imouse

REM Only run the TSR when booting to DOS only:
if "%DosOnly% "== "1" c:\imouse\imouse

I have not REM the mscdex.exe and dosboot as per your last link. Once you review what is in mousie.bat let me know if you still want me to make those changes.

 

att: goddez1

In connection with your last link. I looked again for an MS-DOS icon and found the following:
Title was: EXIT TO DOS
MS-DOS name: EXITTO~1.PIF
Under advanced tab the box MS-DOS mode is ticked
as well as Specify a new MS-DOS configuration.
Then there are two boxes which are titled
1. CONFIG.SYS For MS-DOS mode
2. AUTOEXEC.BAT for MS-DOS mode
There a several instructions contained in each box for 1 and 2 above.

Don't know if this is what we are looking?

 

att: markp62

You had mentioned when we started to discuss this that I should download Langa's cleanup.bat file to clean out temp files.
I started to download and the instructions were to read via notepad whether his program would suit my system. How do I get access to notepad to read the information?
Pretty basic stuff I know.

 

Hi again Hollinm,

I'm going to go off the beaten path here for a bit and ask for a little background info on your system. It sure seems like it likes to do things, configuration wise, in an unusual way and not a very "user friendly way" at that.

What's your computer particulars, brand/make etc?
How old is it?
How many operating systems (versions of windows) has this had on it? In other words, while you are using win98xx now, was this an upgrade? If so, was the win95 an upgrade from win3.x?

I ask these questions because there are configuration changes that may work much better than what you have. Win98, whether in protected mode or dos realmode, doesn't need to be fumbling around in a dosboot folder for files, let alone *.bats that send it to even more folders and files. I feel as this is some hold over from past versions of windows and you might be better off loading things in a more updated win98 fashion, so to speak.

In case you haven't guessed this is not a typical configuration and your computer sure seems to like doing things in it's own unique way.

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Back to the problem at hand:

Do you have a folder named Imouse on c:\ (c:\imouse)?

Does this folder have imouse.com in it?

Do you have an intellimouse? What kind of mouse do you have?

Your dostart.bat is telling windows that if you are in dosmode to go to the folder "dosboot" and load or do what the mousie.bat instructs. In turn, the "mousie.bat" is telling windows that if it is in dosmode to go a folder named imouse on c: and load the file imouse.com. In turn your mouse.com will be giving it's own instructsions.

=====Yeah!!===========
"exit to dos" pif is the guy we've been looking for.
*right click on it and a select properties
*click on the "program tab "
*on the right side of the msdos icon, on the type-in is the name "ms-dos prompt "

*Under that is a cmd line type_in line.
This has c:\windows\command.com typed in it.
All other type-in lines are blank.

*Further down is a check box entitled "close on exit ", Put a check in it.

*Further down is the "advanced button ". Click on it.

*Make sure Ms-dos mode is checked.

*Make sure the circle that says use current configuration is checked.

*Okay your way out of it.

 

Att: goddez1

I bought the computer new in 2000 from compusmart.
It is an HP Pavilion 8750C with the following:
-Intel Pentium III processor 667MHz
-48x max speed CD-ROM
-HP CD-Writer Plus (CD-RW)
-10/100 Base-T network card
-one-touch Internet keyboard
Hard drive: 30GB Ultra DMA
Memory: 128MB
Memory speed:100MHz
Primary cache 32K
Secondary cache 256K advanced transfer cache
It had a bundled software package included:
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition

This is it for starters. I'll get back to you on the other changes you suggested

 

Att: goddez1

I do have a folder name Imouse and it dos have imouse.com in it.
It is an MS-DOS application.
I don't know what an intellimouse is. The original mouse that came with the system when I bought it got wet and was not functional. I purchased an hp mouse suite software from RCA universal products.
My son plugged it in and I am not sure if he followed the process to eliminate evidence of the original mouse (was this necessary?). It has a PS/2 adapter which was used I think. When I look a the mouse file there is sure a lot of stuff for the mouse and none of it is current i.e. 1999 etc.
Followed the instruction on exit to dos. Here is what I found:
on the right side of the msdos icon I found the following DOS Game.
c:\windows\command.com was there with all other type in lines blank.
clicked advanced button.
MS-DOS mode was checked.
circle was in specify a new MS-DOS configuration not use current configuration. Should I change it as you suggest given what I have said about whats in the box next MS-DOS icon

 

I would say change it to "use current configuration'. This way it uses the the current C:\Config.Sys and C:\Autoexec.Bat files, and quits jumping around.
You do not seem to use Dos Mode, and the only reason you did was to use some dos commands to clean out temp files.

 

att: markp62
Have made the changes as suggested in last link.
Booted into MS-DOS and the only messages received this time were the following:
Device driver not found: 'IDECDOOO'
No valid CDROM device drivers selected
Refer to goddez1 last link and my response. Is there anything I should be doing on the folder shortcut to ms dos program ie. DOS GAME

I downloaded cleanup.bat software today. How do I look at the contents of this folder and make the changes as per your previous suggestions?

 

Any file with the BAT extension is what is called a dos BATch file. A way to run frequently used dos commands. At one time these were used to start programs, also. The Autoexec.Bat file is a specially named file. On system boot, if it exists, it is to be AUTOmatically EXECuted, you can see how it got it's name.
You can right click on any BAT file and select Edit to open in Notepad.
Check your Autoexec.Bat file in this fashion.
If this line is there,

mscdex.exe /d:IDECD000 /L:M

change to

REM mscdex.exe /d:IDECD000 /L:M

Go to the DosStart.Bat and do that line also.

You should have an error free startup, and a little bit more memory available for windows to use, and windows will run much better without the 16 bit CD device drivers loading up.

 

att: markp62
Here is a copy of my autoexec.bat file. It's contained in dosboot.
@echo off
REM To make a DOS Boot Diskette, see the file C:\DosBoot\DosBoot.txt.

set DosOnly=1
set path=c:\windows\command

LH c:\windows\command\mscdex /D:IDECD000 /L:M

SET PROMPT=$p$g
SET TEMP=C:\windows\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\windows\TEMP

call c:\dosboot\drivers.bat

c:\windows\smartdrv /q
c:
cd \windows

REM to enable ZIP support in DOS:
REM 1) cd C:\IOMEGA
REM 2) run IOMEGA.EXE
REM 3) then uncomment the following line
REM C:\IOMEGA\GUEST.EXE

REM for DOS Networking including most networked games,
REM read the file IPX.BAT and then uncomment the following
REM CALL C:\DOSBOOT\IPX.BAT

I note the mscdex.exe file but it is shown differently than you outlined. Pls. show how I would change it given how it is shown in the file.
Thanks.