Upgrading From 98SE

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I did a search on the internet for more info on dual boot systems, and your site came up. I read several of your threads pertaining to the subject, but still have problems. I had been following another persons advice as to setting this up,but everything we have tried has failed. Here is the situation.......We have Win98 installed on 1 harddrive(C, we purchased another larger harddrive and installed it in the computer with the hopes of developing a dual boot system. We installed the New harddrive as Master on IDE1, and the old harddrive as slave on IDE!. We installed the windows XP disc, and selected to format the new drive(F and install windows XP at that location. Now, when we reboot, it goes directly to Windows XP, and doesnt even give us the option to choose the C: drive where Win 98 is located. The C: drive shows up within XP, and I can view the files there, through "my computer ". I have changed the boot.ini in C: to look like this....
boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW
S
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS= "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS= "Microsoft Windows 98" /fastdetect
with no positive results,,,any ideas? thanks coadman

 

My usual suggestion: a bootloader.

http://gag.sourceforge.net

Follow the directions and make the floppy. You can install it to the hard drive or boot from the floppy to get your OS choices.

My 98 installed after XP didn't show up even after XP was repaired. This program solves the problems involved in configuring the boot.

 

If you don't want to mess with a foreign boot loader app (although if Abraxas recommends it then I will agree without ever seeing it) you have another option.

Your boot.ini file looks correct and I'm surprised it isn't working but in the XP Recovery Console the bootcfg command will probably fix you up.

 

So Newt,,,would you mind "typing" exactly what we need, and where to place it???? I sat up at my brothers for 4 hours this afternoon/evening trying everything I could think of to get it to work(which isnt a lot of thinking on my part(LOL)). I searched all over the Internet and read so many differant threads I should be a "scholar" when it comes to "dual booting" by now,,but I only myself more confused than before,,,I don't know why it doesnt work either? I did try and download the application Abraxus mentioned above, thinking I could get it to work, at least he would be able to use both operating systems tomorrow...but I couldnt even get it to load to a floppy,,,so I just came home to go to bed...too tired.......Any help you wish to render, will be greatly appreciated!
thanks,
coadman

 

My thought was that you could use a bootloader at least until you got the other things sorted out. You could then at least get to both OS's.

GAG has several files in the zip file. All you need to do is unzip it, put a blank floppy in your drive, and click on "install.bat ". That will create the floppy for you. Leave it in the drive and reboot. The installation screen from GAG will come up (provided you have the floppy boot set in BIOS to precede the hard drive boot).

Make your choice from the menu. Then, when you get to the setup screen, click "S" to choose the drives and OS's you want to set up as bootable.

The directions are available by pressing "1" on the first screen that comes up when booting from the GAG floppy.

Note: The floppy will appear blank to Windows, but it isn't.

[Thanks, Newt, for that vote of support.]

 

Abraxas,,,that was what I was thinking, to use the GAG to get him buy until we could get the other straightened out. But I couldnt get it copied to the floppy(for some unknown reason). Now,,,not liking to let something like this defeat me(I would lie awake all night wondering what went wrong), I downloaded the application on my computer here at my home, and poof, had no problem making the gag boot disc. Dont know why I couldnt do it on his,,unless his winzip wasnt working properly? Anyway,,I have the disc and will go back tomorrow afternoon, and see if I can at least get him to dual boot using that. Thanks for the info, and if you have any ideas as to how to get our other dual boot problem solved,,,we woud appreciate your input.
thanks,
coadman

 

Glad you got the disk.

For purposes of trying to solve the boot problem (unless you decide to keep GAG--nice name, huh? I guess it is a Spanish acronym for "graphical boot loader "), I'd suggest using GAG off the floppy instead of installing it to the hard drive. That way, GAG won't be interfering with anything else you do and you can just pop in the floppy to boot.

 

It has been suggested to me(in a differant forum), that my problem "lies" with the 98 being on the slave, and the XP being on the master. For this to work, the computer needs to boot to 98 first, then it will look in the boot/ini file to see where to go. And I could try and switch the jumpers around, making the 98 harddrive the master and the XP harddrive the slave, and reinstalling XP. Does this make sense to you guys? Hope so,,if you agree, I'll sure give it a try.
thanks,
coadman

 

Interesting idea and certainly possible that it is correct - at least I don't know enough to say one way or the other.

My understanding is that the NT boot files simply need to be on C: though.

As to the bootcfg thing, boot from the CD into recovery console (details in the link a couple of posts up from here).

You will have a nice ugly black screen with white command prompt very similar to the old DOS days.

bootcfg /rebuild should do it for you then.

 

"Abraxas

Hey, what do they mean by the name of your keyboard?,,,,,QWERTY,,,,,,,AZERTY..QWERTZ,,,,,,I have no idea what "gag" is talking about.
coadman

 

There are a number of different types of keyboard layout. QWERTY is the most common in English-speaking countries. Are those the letters across the top row of your keyboard?

It's probably time for me to make a confession.

I had a game that wouldn't work on XP (though it used to, but that is another matter). So, just for fun, I thought I'd make a dual boot with Windows ME.

I have never been able to get XP to recognize that there is another OS installed on a FAT32 partition just above my XP NTFS partition.

I ran a repair installation of XP, did the bootcfg /rebuild thing (where all the drives are scanned for Windows installations), tried fixboot and fixmbr, made the FAT32 partition active, and so on. Still no recognition of XP that it is there at all.

The only other possible explanation I have is that both the XP partition (as seen from XP) and the ME partition (as seen from ME) are drive letter C:.

Besides the fact that I may try other OS's and may even remove ME, the boot loader was a much easier solution than trying to reconfigure the boot every time I added or removed an OS.

I am running NTFS for Win98 on the ME system, so I have read/write access to all my NTFS partitions, but the fact remains that I am using GAG because I couldn't figure out how to do it otherwise .

 

Well my brother was finally able to install XP with the option of either choosing 98 or XP at startup ( without using GAG), I'm very proud of his persistence. With his help and several on this site, I now have a dual boot system which I think is kind of neat, thank you.

I have one more item I would like to know how to do before I let this thread die.

Is there a simple way to import my address book from my 98 Outlook Express to my XP Outlook Express? Maybe you could expain in detail, we tried but had no luck. Thanks!

Mike

 

There are a couple of ways to transfer your WAB (Windows Address Book) and you can do a search on the Board for instructions. May I suggest that you locate your WAB in 98, burn it to cd or copy to floppy, and then boot into XP and use the import function under File in OE? Then, clearly label your media and stick it someplace safe. If everything goes haywire, at least you'll save yourself the hassle of recreating it, if you lose it. (hey, not likely, but you never know!)

Johanna
LUNAtic Crash Queen

 

Johanna I did what you said and made a floppy disc copy of Wab files from 98 (and it's definitely on there) and tried to import from within XP's Outlook Express but it doesn't do anything, it doesn't show up period. Any other ideas?


Mike

 

Copy that floppy to your hard drive and try getting it from there.

Johanna

 

Well does this make any sense, when I copied Wab files onto a Floppy from 98 and then played it back in 98, it had my old address book. When I take that same floppy and insert it while in XP it only reads my new Wab files. Why doesn't it read my old address book from the floppy when I'm in XP?


Mike

 

Copy the WAB from the floppy to someplace handy like "My Docs ", then open OE and use the import command from the File menu. Post back and let us know how you are faring.

Johanna
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