Can't Format CDRW with InCD

I have attempted several times to format a CDRW disc using Nero’s InCD. It seems to be doing its job for at least 20 minutes or so.

I then get an Error Code:{0051-0003-0072-0000} with details:
Disc error occurred.
Reboot your computer and try again.
Please insert a new disc.

I am using WinXP Home edition and InCD Version 3.3.10. I also am using Nero 5.5.

I had downloaded the InCD manual, but so far have found nothing that helps.

One other thing….. Per the above error message, why would I have to "insert a NEW disc" after rebooting my PC?

I did read something about uninstalling a program (Adaptec) if I had it, which I don't.

Are there any other things I need to do before being able to use InCd? The Nero software and the InCD came bundled with my PC. If the software came with the drive shouldn't it work?

 

Unfortunately, bundled software is a business agreement more than a technical marriage made in heaven. My experiences with bundled software shows that there very often is software that works better with a piece of hardware than what came with it.

It is possible that the CD was damaged somehow and the UDF file system that InCD formats does not recover from errors. Often, the CD can not even be erased. They may be prompting for an undamaged CD.

Packet writing is prone to more errors than the standard ISO CD burning that is more common. ISO CD's do not need to be formatted. If you don't need it, I'd recommend removing InCD from your startup and just burning multisession ISO's with Nero or XP's burner. It is easy to just right-click a file and Send To your burner cache, to be burned at your leisure. And these files can be read by any computer or CD-ROM, whereas InCD CD's need a special reader installed on the computer to be able to read them.

In any case, you may need to try a new CD. You could try erasing it under Recorder in the main Nero program, but if the file system is damaged, you may not be able to do that, either.

If you want to use the packet writing, I'd recommend that you look for updates to both Nero and InCD.

www.ahead.de

 

I'm not running XP, but when trying InCD which came bundled, had similiar problems. Went up Nero's site, found an InCD uninstall program. Then downloaded InCD from them, instead of off the Nero disk. It finally worked properly. But I can't give the link to the download, I stumbled across it, it was "hidden" very well on their site. Mine were mainly "power calibration errors ", but also discovered my burner didn't like 700mb cds. Went to 650mb.

 

Abraxas,

I need to ask a few other questions before I mess up another disc.

First of all, I’ve used Nero many times and burned many CD’s No problems with that.

In reading your message I wasn’t even aware that InCD’s needed a special reader. What kind of reader?

When I first purchased my PC I bought several of the CDRW discs, but when using them caused my computer to lock up and the drive to disappear I just moved on. I found out last week that the discs had to be formatted before they could be used. Is that correct? Not knowing what a mess this is, I just wanted to get some benefit from the CDRW discs. Don’t think I will be buying anymore very soon.

Does Nero’s Recorder format the CDRW discs? I used Recorder as you suggested and watched for 20 minutes while the gauge moved from 0 to 20 minutes. Then, just when I thought I might have succeeded at something, a small window popped up stating "Erase Failureâ€.

I am beginning to think that I simply don’t understand exactly what the functions are of the InCD software. It is part of Nero, isn’t it? Is it just for formatting the CDRW discs in preparation for use with Nero? If so, what would I use to format the CDRW discs for burning if I didn’t use InCD?

Lastly, what is packet writing vs. other options? I am pretty sure I have the latest updates to both Nero and InCD. I hardly think they would offer me a complete jump to the Version 6.

I really tried to navigate the Nero site but just got more confused. I am using Nero V 5.5.10.54 and InCD V 3.3.1.0.

Thanks.

 

PeteC,

I didn't know that you could erase and write CDRW discs through Nero. Someone told me last week that the CDRW discs needed to be formatted before writing to them. Can Nero format this type in preparation for burning if this is correct?

I have a friend at work that uses WinXP and the very same updated version of InCD and Nero. His works and has always worked just fine. That's why I couldn't understand that I was having a problem.

Where is the XP burning option if I did decide to turn it off? Somewhere in the InCD manual I read that if you had something like Adaptec you should remove it through Control/Add-Remove program. I don't have it.

One thing has occured to me. When I first tried to use the CDRW disc, I didn't know that it should be formatted. I tried to burn some files to it. Could it be that because of this I ruined the disc and that is actaully what's causing the problem?

I have 3 more of those expensive things and I guess I could try one that is sealed to see what happens. What an expense!!

 

Aleekat,

I guess I'll try to find the programs you suggested. I didn't think Nero would let you download and install any of the programs. Just the updates which I've done.

If I uninstall what I have and they won't let me re-install from their site, my only option would be to reinstall from the CD.

Are they allowing a person who has Version 3 installed, download V 4.0? It didn't appear that was possible when I checked out their site the other day.

Thanks.

 

As I understand vegaspats last couple of posts, I took it that he or she has probably been trying to write to an unformatted disk and that's the reason it hasn't been working. I don't have Nero so I can only guess as to how it's done. Is there an icon in the system tray for it? If so, right click on it and see if there's a format disk entry in the context menu. If so, put a disk in the drive, right click on the icon and select format. Can one you that have InCd confirm this? If it's wrong, maybe it wouldn't hurt to explain how it's done.

 

When you put a cdrw in the drive with Incd, first a window will pop up stating you can use this cd like a floppy. If you right click on the icon, lower right taskbar, you will get properties, eject and format choices. Incd recommemds never use the eject button on your drive, but use their eject option. The version I downloaded is 3.5.22, the one that came bundled is like your, 3.3.1.0. When my problems occurred, tried the InCd format, error message. Then tried the Nero erase, error problems. But this was also with 700mb disks.

Here is the Incd Cleaner.
If you can't find it the Incd 3.5.22, I stll have a copy of the install. It's possible it was removed, my downloaded is from Mar03.

With no disk inserted, does your Incd icon have a red arrow or yellow arrow through it?

 

vegaspat --

It's true that InCD comes with Nero, but it is really a totally separate program.

"Formatting" does not mean "erase" as many people think. Though the process has erasure as a side-effect, it really just draws imaginary lines, so to speak, on the disk to prepare it for storing files.

To use InCD, the disk must be formatted, as above, in the UDF format. You lose a considerable amount of space on the CD in the process, and only computers that have UDF readers installed can read the CD's. These readers are usually available as a separate downloads at either Roxio or Nero.

But the readers themselves have caused me no end of problems.

The regular Nero program and XP's native burner (which I use both of, without disabling anything, and both work fine together) write to CD's as ISO's. This is the standard CD format, does not require formatting of the CD ahead of time, can be easily erased by XP or Nero, and gives you the full capacity of the CD.

I still vote on dumping InCD. But try the upgrade if you want to keep it.

 

NERO AND InCD

Permit me to say, simply, that I'm using both Nero Express [Ver 5.5.10.54] and InCD [Ver 4.1.0.0] and, to date, I'm very satisfied with both. Both programs are updated from the Ahead web site vs the bundled software that came with my LG 52X RW drive.

The last writer is correct that formatting does consume quite a bit of disk space but nonetheless, I am able to store about 535MB of data on a 650 MB disk and to use them just like a 1.4 MB floppy disk. I find both pieces of software copy or drag and drop very well and burning is quick even including verification.

I have NO reading or copying problems using Windows Explorer or ABcmdr freeware. My OS is Win 98SE.

The only negative for me to date is the slow pace of formatting a CD but it's a small price to pay for the results. I usually use Maxell disks but have used some others.

Over time, I have found that some drives and firmware are quite disk brand sensitive: eg will read or write to one brand and now to another.

I would NOT get rid of InCD.

My only quandry at this point is to risk re-installing Music Match with its burn capability. I'm a charter and registered user of MM and like it for handling of MP3s but I've never been really happy with using if for burning, vis a vis, making case inserts of contents.

I don't know if Nero software and InCD will co-exist with MM. They will NOT coexist with Roxio according to the Ahead website...at least as I read the FAQs.

Anybody know the answer to MusicMatch and Nero/InCD co-existance? My guess is they won't.

Thanks.

 

InCD

Hi again

I just checked the Ahead Nero USA site and the InCD 4.1.0.0 `update' [not an upgrade] is on URL:

http://www.nero.com/us/nero-up.php

Go the InCD at the lower left corner of the page. Click the DL and when you are asked where to SAVE the DL, you'll see that you're about to DL the above version.

The confusion is that is subtly buried with the Upgarde to Nero Ultra Ver 6 but if yu look closely, the InCD window will say that it's `included' in the Ultra package.

As somebody already mentioned, you MUST DL and run the uninstall tool before upgrading.

Hope this helps.

The Nero Express update to 5.5 is straight forward.

 

Welt
I don't think you'll have any problem with Nero and Musicmatch both installed. I have EZCD and Musicmatch and have never had any kind of conflicts between the two. I've used the trial Nero in the past without uninstalling Roxio and had no trouble at all. I think where the conflicts come into play is when you have both Nero's InCd and Roxios Direct CD installed. If they're both installed and active I suspect that would be a recipe for all sorts of trouble.

There does seem to be a lot of people that have trouble with packet writing. Some seem to have trouble just getting it to work while for others it seems to work but they seem to somehow lose the data on the cd. I firmly believe however that the vast majority of disappearing data problems are caused by the user not removing the cd when he or she is done writing to it. If windows happens to crash when the cd is in the drive, damage can occur just as it can on any hard disk. The drive has to be unmounted properly when you shut down just as any other drives do. I remember in the past people having trouble with their cd drive not opening for them. They'd push the button and the tray wouldn't open. Almost always I'd find that they had Direct cd installed but had used msconfig to turn off the system tray thingy that went along with it. When you shut that down you could still use direct cd but if you put a cd in the drive that was formatted for it, you couldn't eject it without the tray application running. This was by design (though most didn't realize it). The tray app is what unmounts the drive properly when you eject the cd. If for any reason that program was shut down the drive would become locked in an effort to prevent any data loss. I myself have used Direct CD for a long time on several different computers. I was using it when Adaptec still owned it. I've never had a problem of any sort with it. Just remember, when your done writing to the disk, eject it. Somewhat of a hassle maybe, but still the wise thing to do.

 

To everyone:

I just opened a sealed CDRW disc and tried to format it.

I was hoping that the first one wouldn't format because I had originally tried to copy files to it. Well, it wasn't that easy. After 20 minutes of a seemingly good format, it once again popped up the original error message.

At this point, I am going to continue to try and figure out what the problem is. Using all suggestions, I am going to try and pin down what is causing the problem. Whether I use InCD after the problem is resolved is questionable.

Aleekat, I was going to write to tell you that I couldn't find the same update that you have. (3.5.2.2.) But I see a post from Welt about V 4.0 being an update. Thanks for the link to the "Cleaner ". Welt also suggested I use that before the install of 4.0

Also, with no disc inserted, the arrow is red and I don't have an eject option. Just, Properties, Format and Version?
I haven't had any problems with ejecting. It does that when I get the error message.

Now, if I use the cleaner,uninstall 3.0 and install 4.0 should I disable XP's burning program?

Oops-- Is the Cleaner the same as the uninstall?

I am going to take this one step at a time. Hope you folks don't bail on me.

Thanks

 

INCD

Hi,

Ahead's web site and also the InCD folks from Germany, stressed to me to always remove the prior version of InCD using the InCD Clean Tool. It downloads in ZIP format.

Please understand that I have NO experience with XP...still using Win 98SE. I'd have to buy too much new hardware to change my OS.

AskNero is a handy little tool to determine your actual version if you have need.

 

Thanks.

I know I'm a little on the slow side, but that darn Nero site seemed to keep me running in circles.

Thanks to the help here, things have been a lot easier.

Later this evening I will do the Clean and Install. Let ya know how it turns out.

 

Well, I uninstalled the Version 3 of InCd and installed the 4.0. The interface is totally different. No colorful screen, just a very plain one. The icon in the sys tray is so different that I didn’t even see it at first. It also doesn’t show the time status, as did the previous version and the options on the context menu are different. All this is to say that I thought perhaps I was going to have other problems.

I tried to format two of the Memorex CDRW’s and this time I received a different error message:

“Error writing to the disc in E:\ Please confirm that the disc is compatible with the drive and is not scratched or damaged.â€

I was getting ready to chuck the whole thing, but figured I would try one more thing. I had a brand new, unsealed Lite-On disc that was still shrink-wrapped. It came with my PC. Anyway, it worked!! So that leads me to believe that those Memorex discs can’t be used on this computer? (Not compatible?) I was reading the Help File that came with this new Version. It was showing the different Cd’s and all that was different was the format time. The Lite-On disc is 74Min/650MB-4X-12X Professional High Speed, while as I stated previously, the Memorex is 70Min/700MB-1X up to 4X Multi Speed.

Earlier I had attempted to find the Lite-On site to see if my drive could be updated. Never found it.

So it appears after all this frustration and aggravation, it was simply the discs. The Lite-On drives must be pretty particular? Any thoughts on this?