Restart from shortcut

gamma yes I see " enable fast shutdown ". I hesitate about unchecking it. Don't want to have problems with the shutdown too.

If I uncheck it will I surely be able to get it back if I encounter a problem?


Have not tried safe mode yet.

 

“If I uncheck it will I surely be able to get it back if I encounter a problem?â€

YES.

The reason why Fast Shutdown is fast is because the loaded drivers are ignored - they are not invited to do anything as are applications. Some drivers get decidedly upset at this and throw a 'wobbly'. The worst that can happen by disabling Fast Shutdown is a slower shutdown. You wouldn't believe what I put my machine through on booting up. A slower shutdown is nothing in comparison.

Re Safe Mode: Get cracking - it's only a click away - but after trying disabling Fast Shutdown first. Never apply two remedies at the same time, said my herbalist.

 

gamma

disable Fast Shutdown did not work


yes "restart" worked in safe mode.

 

ladyluck

Do you have 'Standby' in your 'Shut Down Windows' dialog?

If so then go to the link in my last but one post.

I might have walked past a 'solver'.

Get PMTShoot and install it. Press the Reset button on your machine and when you get back to the desktop try and go into Standby whilst the PMTShoot window is open.

If you are lucky PMTShoot may say "Oh boy, have just met one very disgruntled driver" or words to that effect.

If no joy then uninstall PMTShoot.

You can Restart with a Reset button I take it? This is the same as a software Restart but lacks the grace and I don't think any running apps get an early warning signal. Providing you're not writing your memoirs in Word at the same time or whatever then that shouldn't be a problem.

 

gamma

do not have 'Standby' in my 'Shut Down Windows' dialog

 

Aaahhhhgh!

Its such a long time ago since I ripped out Power Management that I cannot remember the 'Ins and Outs'.

Dear reader: "ladyluck has W98SE IE6 OE6 NAV. Why hasn't she got Standby? "

Maybe your PM configuration is corrupt?

What do you reckon folks?

While you wait, ladyluck, pop over to that link anyway. You say that you have tried most remedies but there may be one or two there that you have not considered and some are so specific they may ring a bell for you.

 

Unless acpi and apm have been disabled in the bios previously. Standby goes bye-bye as an option if apm is disabled. I think a tip-toe through the bios is called for, perhaps after a peek in "Device Manager" just to see if something is amiss in category "Systems Devices "> AutomaticPowerManagaementSupport

Although this component may still be listed, but flagged with a "yellow sticker" as an effect of having it disabled in bios.

 

goddez

Advanced Power Management Support, no problem.
I know zero about bios.

gamma, went back to M$. So much to read

It kept taking me to more solutions but did not list the patch that possibly caused the problem

Do you know what patch is referring to this shutdown problem?

 

ladyluck

The most oft cited shutdown patch is here.

If you cannot find the file 239887UN.INF on your system then you probably do not have it installed.

 

After getting and installing the Shutdown patch:

APM.....

Either disable and remove it altogether or fixit. The fact that your "Standby" option is missing from the Shutdown option menu indicates a there's a problem somewhere.

See:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188134

This makes me wonder what you have disabled via the startup tab in msconfig. Did you disable your 2 LoadPowerProfiles
entries?

Ahhhh, but I am getting ahead of the tasks here. Best to take this slow and easy, one step at a time.

Sorry gammaepsilon, I know to many cooks can spoil the broth. I was just trying to stay on the first track. I will now "not so quietly" step back once again.

 

goddez

In my "shutdown window" I have

shutdown
restart
restart in Ms dos mode ( is this standby)

you asked
Did you disable your 2 LoadPowerProfiles
entries?

No I have 2

Are you tiring of this problem. If so please let me know.

 

No this is not the "Standby" option. I found a site with a link to a picture. Scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://howto.lycos.com/lycos/step/1,,5+26+35991+34528+25277+19009,00.html

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No, I am not tired of the post. In truth, I was little worried that you'd get nervous, bored or frustrated. I was going to comment earlier to say that if you feel uncomfortable or need something further explained just ask. Need a stepXstep??? Again, just ask. I will see what I can do.

Most of the things you are going to be asked to do are easily reversed. As long as your willing to hang in there I or another will keep walking you through the checks till we find the little bugger.

 

Thank you for hanging in there.
Sorry it took so long I was looking for the patch. Still haven't found it.

It looks like my computer is too old for standby. It's not there.


Can you tell me if these are actually three different options.

On the "fast restart" (log in again)there is no number after it.


Neil's fast restart that will close all programs and prompt you to log in again: rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx

Neil's total reboot: rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 2

Neil's total shutdown: rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 5

Use caution with the numbers. It's probably best to stick with 2 and 5.

 

rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx
This only logs you off and brings up the logon dialogue box again. Useful if you want to log off as current user and relog in using another password or users profile. Also sometimes you make an option change that requires you to log off and log back on. This does not restart.

rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 2
This is the restart option your looking for. Try it out.
*Run your cursor over the bolded text to highlight it, while holding the left mouse button down.

*right click it and select "copy ".

*hit you start button and select the "run" line.

*paste the bolded text onto it and hit enter.

*You'll either restart or do as you been which is freeze on the restart. I suspect the freeze is gonna' happen but we'll see.

rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 5
This is a total shutdown, which you don't have a problem doing [or do you]?

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The patch is only to clicks away. The link that gammaepsilon gave labled "here" goes to microsoft downloads. just click through the butons labled "next" one for download and one for eula agreement choose where to save your download, save it, go to it and install. [making sure nothing is running in background. To check use your cntrl\alt\del key combo to bring up taskman and end tasks on all except explorer and systray.]
Here it is in full url:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/WURecommended/S_WUFeatured/Win98SE/Default.asp

Hey....this would be an opportune time to try a restart...
when you do this, speaking of cntrl\alt\del endtask on all except explorer and systray can you restart?

 

goddez, gamma thank you both for helping me

I already tried this

rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 2

didn't work.

If I c/a/d twice it reboots

Right now the only way I can restart is

start/shutdown/restart, hold shift key, click OK and quickly release shift key.
I suppose I should be satisfied with that but I know that is not the way it should be done.

I saved the page for the patch. I can't do anything with it now as someone has borrowed my 98 disc.

When I download the patch, if there is a problem I can do a restore. Is that correct?

 

The shutdown patch does has uninstall instructions should the need occur:

How to uninstall

You should save and close all open documents and close all programs before attempting to uninstall this update. Then click on Start/Find/Files or Folders and search for 239887UN.INF. Once this file is displayed, right-click on the file and choose Install. You will need to have your original Windows 98 Second Edition CD available to uninstall this update.

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Of course this *.inf file will be found after the patch is installed.

If something bad happens a restart in safemode and the uninstall should put you back, but I don't foresee anything bad happening. Worse case would be that the patch didn't make any difference or cure your problem.

There's just a few drivers checked for correct version, a new msconfig, a help.chm and a registry setting for "fastshutdown ".
As stated before msconfig loses the switch for "Fastshutdown" and it is, by default, disabled in the registry.
near as I can tell, vpowerd.vxd, apmbatt.sys, pci.vxd, configmg.vxd, msconfig.exe, advpack.dll are the files involved. If it makes you more comfortable backing these up somewhere that could do no harm. I really don't see a need though.

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Opps, just saw that you'd need the win98 cd to uninstall the update. Darn. Guess you aren't big on "throwing caution to the wind" huh?

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Oh well, perhaps we can try the other msconfig selective startup steps tomorrow. I'm sleepy and I'm gone...........