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120GB HD reads 114GB

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by SteveS, 2003/12/20.

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    SteveS

    SteveS Inactive Thread Starter

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    i just bought a sata 120gb maxtor dimondmax 9 plus HD and it only has 114gb, i know u lose abit, but that just seams abit much, i want that extra 6gb please!

    is this normal or abit much?
     
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    MinnesotaMike

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    Steve,

    I'm pretty sure this is normal, although I can't remember for sure why. Knew at one time, but have forgotten. :( I think that the OS has to set aside some of the total volume for a specific reason. I have a 120GB in one of my systems and it only adds up to about 115GB also. . Since I know it's all there (by way of FDISK), and the fact that I won't be filling it up real soon, I can accept the total volume figure.

    Not quite an explanation, but it's a normal thing.

    Mike
     

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    6gb loss just seams way.... 2 much!

    even tho windows says its 114gb is it actually more like 120, or ill get near enough 120gb of data onit anyway?
     
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    PeteC

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    You have 114 Gb space available for data - no more
     
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    how annoying! i wanted 120 for a friggin reason! didnt think id lose 6gb!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
     
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    Steve, I had a similar problem once with a new drive, lost several gigs when I put it in the machine - I agree that's too much to lose - you expect maybe a few hundred mbs, but not several gigs.

    When I looked at the settings, the jumpers had been set so that the drive would be a slave -- added to an existing setup. When I changed the jumpers to be a master solo, I regained the missing gigs (I think we're talking about the same numbers - like 8gigs), and the owner was real happy to have the full drive capacity back.

    check your jumper settings, and see if that could be a reason.

    maureen
     
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    i cant, its a sata drive and dosnt have jumpers. :( i almost feel like ringing maxtor and givin them abuse!
     
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    Hi Steve!

    Your problem is a concequence of manufacturers differing ideas of what a GigaByte actually is.

    Your "120GB" Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 holds 240,121,728 sectors.
    Each sector equals 512 bytes.

    Total bytes is 122,942,324,736

    122,942,324,736 / 1,024 = 120,060,864 kB
    This is where Maxtor get their 120 GB from but that´s not true. Let´s keep dividing by 1,024 for each unit conversion.

    120,060,864 kB / 1,024 = 117,246.94 MB

    117,246.94 MB / 1,024 = 114.50 GB
    This is Your formated size, I guess.

    I agree that it is annoying to buy a harddrive of a size that it really isn´t.

    It is beyond me why harddive manufacturers persist in misleading the buyers ...... :mad: ...... but it is probably because it sounds better to market a 120 GB harddrive than a 114.50 GB one.

    It is kind of like a price set to 199.95 instead of 200.00 simply because it sounds cheaper ...... :rolleyes: ...... !

    Now, at least, You know how You were ripped off by 5.5 GB ...... ;) ......

    Christer

    Added:

    Why is a "k" not "1000 ", You might ask?

    The binary system is based on the number 2.

    2^10 = 1,024 (2 multiplied by itself ten times.)
     
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    ah right, so its normal then, **** ina way im happy now thats sorted and normal but annoyed that i lose 6gb!!

    cheers
     
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    Well, it could have been worse:

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 holds 234,441,648 sectors which equals 120,034,123,776 bytes which is where they get their 120 GB from but it really is 111.79 GB.

    Christer
     
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    this is terrible! there should be a standard! like everything else has! really bad that is:mad:
     
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    Well, there is a standard and that is the one used by the tools that partition and format the harddrives.

    That standard is unavoidable for those tools because it is a mathematical fact of the binary system that:

    1 Kb = 2^10 = 1,024 bytes

    1 MB = 2^20 = 1,048,576 bytes

    1 GB = 2^30 = 1,073,741,824 bytes

    Christer
     
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    Hi,
    this wretched confusion affects much more than just HDD sizes - it's all around.

    Using Windows Explorer's "detail" view I can find a file shown as 485KB...
    ...but use "properties" for this file and I reveal the size as
    "484KB (495,648) bytes" which looks like 10k different... until you reckon a "k" as 1024...

    it's a stupid mess-up which wasn't too good an idea even in the old days (when we talked of kilobytes in much the same way as we now discuss gigabytes)... but at the "kilo-" level the error is only 2.4% so it didn't really seem a lot.

    when megabytes (and then gigabytes) became more commonplace, the greater percentage errors made this issue far more relevant...

    Best Wishes, HJ.
     
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    I would guess that when view the file in the details view you're seeing the "size on disk ". When viewing in the file properties you're probably looking at "file size ". The difference is called slack. Each of the clusters on your hard drive are a certain size depending on the file system and the size of the disk or partition. If they would happen to be 16 kilobytes each and you have a file that is 150 kilobytes in size, the file will be written to 10 different clusters. That means the file will actually use 160kb of disk space. This is because once a part of a file has been written to a cluster the remainder of the cluster is no longer available (can't be written to). So, in this example, the last part of the file would only use 6kb of the cluster, leaving 10kb that's just sitting there empty so to speak. If you have XP, the properties shows both the file size and the size on disk. I just checked on mine and when using details in windows explorer it does appear to show the size on disk. If memory serves me correctly, the win98 properties only shows file size.
     
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    well at then end of the day i have lost 6gb from what i thought i was going to have and im not pleased but thats life i assume with hard disks. lets say ill be more carful in the future deciding what brand to go for.

    mayb i should find out the best brands which live closer to their claim of sizing.
     
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    Hi again, Steve!

    I would believe that some people think that actual size contra advertized size is one of the not so important issues. Annoying but not important.

    I have done some homework on harddrives in preparation for a purchase and if size and GB / money unit is important, then the Hitachi 7K250 drives are quite favorable. Their 120 GB translates into 115.04 RWGB (Real World Giga Bytes). They also score at the top in tests.

    Hitachi, or rather IBM which it was at the time, has a history of a higher than normal failure rate. It was/is the 75GXP and to a lesser extent the 60GXP models that were/are affected. Now, those are three to four generations old and the more recent ones, 120GXP and 180GXP have better/normal (?) failure rates.

    I have come across people who say "never again will I buy an IBM/Hitachi drive" but I have found out that other people avoid other brands due to repeated failures.

    I, for one, wouldn´t buy a Maxtor because I don´t feel good about a company who can´t/won´t tell what kind of platters are in their drives. They claim that it doesn´t matter since performance is the same.
    I´ve heard about a guy who bought two Maxtors and he thought they were identical, the same model number. Their performance differed considerably and when he put pressure to Maxtor he was told they hade different types of platters.

    Seagate has a reputation of high reliability but still appear on some peoples "do-not-wish-list ". They are silent but don´t score at the top in tests.

    Given these three examples only ...... :cool: ...... I would take my chances with Hitachi. Seagate would be the second option but as I said, never a Maxtor.

    These are my thoughts and now I´m running for shelter because I think that I have a ton of bricks coming down on me!

    Christer
     
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    SteveS

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    hum , i feel good about my choice of maxtor now! :rolleyes:

    ahwell i guess there isnt a perfect drive out there. i cant wait till they bring out just a chip instead of a mechanical drive, however long thats gonna take.
     
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    I believe that You´re right about that!

    I also don´t think that You should feel too bad about Your choise of harddrive. They are probably neither better nor worse than the others.

    What I didn´t like was that from documentation available on the web, it is easy to figure out the design of most harddisks but not Maxtors.
    Everyone else disclose the number of platters and the number of physical heads which indicates the type of platter used.

    It can however be established through the serial number. The second position in the serial number indicate the number of physical heads.
    If Your drive has a "3 ", then it´s two 80 GB platters with three of four sides used.
    If Your drive has a "4 ", then it´s either two 60 GB platters with all four sides used or two 68 GB platters with all four sides used but short stroked to 60 GB capacity per platter.

    Christer

    By the way, my source is the StorageReview forum and what they say about the review and the harddrive itself.

    If You go there, You´ll see that both platter types have their respective pros and cons!
     
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