kooky hard drive

I am running xp home on 10gb IBM hard drive. I have a 60 gb IBM drive I want to install. My machine won't accept the 60 as a slave or master.!!! I also see that its saying when I boot the following: Primary master 0
Primary slave THE IBM 10 gb
secondary master TDK cd rom
secondary slave DVD rom
So how do I change these things? Have a gigabyte titan ultra board 667. This is granny here that knows a little but not enough.........any really simple help? Have winxp home on 10 gb drive (no disc for xp home anymore) and the 60 gb has win xp professional loaded on it and I have disc....thank you

 

Hello "Granny"
Lets start with a few basic steps.
Take a look at this tutorial:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/Support/support1.htm

Then, please post the complete model number of your Gigabyte motherboard.

Was the 60 GB HD in the present machine when it was loaded with Win XP Pro ??
If not, I would strongly recommend a fresh new install of XP pro after you get the bios to recognize it is connected to the IDE #1 as the master.

For now, lets forget the 10 GB hard drive, just concentrate on the larger hard drive.

Daddad

 

Hi Clo: This is grandpa here. Been through a lot of drives not recognized lately. Last drive problem because drive jumpers set incorrectly.

When you say you want to "install" the 60 gig drive, I assume you mean as the boot drive. If so:

If the 60 gig drive was booting to XP Pro in another machine, here is what I would try:

Take the 10 gig drive out of the machine, you don't have to physically remove it, just unplug the cables.

Make sure the 60 gig IBM jumpers are set to master, and that IDE and power cables are plugged in firmly. If this drive was booting another machine, the jumpers are probably set correctly, but check to make sure. To set the jumpers, look on the back of the drive, little plugs (jumpers) between IDE cable connector and power connector, with eight pins. On my IBM drives, they need to be set like this for drive to operate as master:

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That is, of the eight pins, plug the jumpers on the extreme right and left leaving 4 middle pins exposed.

Turn on the machine, if drive recognized by BIOS, that is the first screen you see, says "Primary Master" plus a serial # for the 60 gig drive, let the machine run, see if it boots. If it does, post back and we can get the 10 gig drive installed as "slave "

Good Luck

Martin

 

problems keep coming. gigabyte ultra pro 667 series. I have IBM OEM 10 gb hard drive thats always been in it loaded with win xp HOME. I have IBM desk star 60 gb loaded with xp PRO from another machine. My machine will not accept the 60 gb as anything. I got brave and looked in the bios and the IBM OEM 10 gb is listed as PRIMARY SLAVE. I followed instructions from a paper and went into bios( really brave here) and under cmos the original is listed as primary slave and primary master has none. So I checked the box for all to recognized as auto and nothing changes. My old drive is still primary slave and the jumpers are set for it to be primary master..........so now what? I don't have a cd anymore for the home edition which is on this drive. The 60 gb is xp pro and I have cd for that. I tried putting it in as master and when it called for cd I had to choose setup or repair so I chose setup and then it wouldn't go any farther cause it said there was no system. This is all getting really deep for me..........thanks heaps Clo

 

Clo: do you have a full XP install disc? Not an upgrade?

Quote:
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it said there was no system.
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Can you be more specific?

You did not say if the BIOS recognized the 60gig drive.

If you have a full XP disc and the BIOS on your machine recognizes the 60 gig drive, you should be able to do a new clean install of XP, if that is your wish.

If the current install of XP will boot on another machine, you should be able to get it to boot on this one.

See DadDad's post above. Let us know exactly what you are trying to accomplish, we will try to help.

Martin

 

I don't know if the machine recognizes the 60 gb because it gets to the part where it ask for the disc and I put it in and do what it says and when it gets to the system part not there it won't go any farther. I think if I could get the machine to recognize the 10 gb as the master (which the cables are set for) it just might then take the 60 gb. I don't know. I have tried the 60 gb to go as the primary master or primary slave either one and it won't go beyond the system missing thing. I have the jumpers set for primary master on the 10 and it will not go as that. It says primary slave...........I believe this xp pro is full version also......

 

disconnected the old IBM OEM DTTA 10gb and tried again with the IBM deskstar 60 gb. Got as far as boot from cd then it got as far as a black and white screen that apologized for not starting and said windows did not start correctly and gave a list of options safe mode.........safe mode with command prompts..........safe mode with networking.....start windows normally. I tried safe mode and same screen came back, then safe mode with command prompts, and then windows normally. each time it would turn all black and go back to the same screen of options. So I gave it up and put the old 10 gb back and thats how I send these mails. I have dial up so its time consuming.....thank you

 

Ok Clo, I think I see what's happening here.
The 60 GB hd with a prior installlation of XP is seeing the wrong machine when it tries to run.

Please do the following:
Set the jumper(s) on the 60 GB drive for Master
Take the ribbon cable from IDE #1 and plug it into the 60 GB hard drive.
Boot your machine and enter your bios during the Post time and set it to boot from floppy FIRST.
Make sure both Primary and Secondary IDE is set to AUTO.
Place a DOS boot disk that has "format.com" on it into your floppy (A) drive
Restart the machine and when it gets to the A: prompt, type format C: (space between format and C)
Then hit enter, answer with Y and allow the format to continue, should take about 15 minutes on a 60 GB HD.
After the format is complete, type C: then enter and then type DIR-enter.
You should see no files and the total of freespace available.
Your 60 GB C: drive should be all ready for the new clean installation of Win XP Pro.

Here are two links that may help you:

http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/expertzone/columns/honeycutt/02october07.asp

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sg_clean.asp

Hope this helps

Daddad

 

I don't have a floppy boot disc. My cd drive works tho because the cd starts, so whats that about. How do I get the floppy? Even tho my old drive is set for primary master it runs as primary slave and thats in the top bay. I have the slide in bay things so its quite easy. S o do I put the 60 gb in the bay that the old one came out of in the second bay which is empty. So is I can get the floppy I will give it a try. But have to get the floppy. Thanks for your patience

 

Ok, Clo, lets, for now forget the older HD, just take it out.
In its place put the 60 GB hd in and connect it per my prevoius post and proceed as I have outlined.

One of my included links has the link to Bootdisk.com

http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm

Download the DOS 6.22 version of their boot disk, it has the format.com included.
Just doubleclick on the downloaded file, it will ask you to insert an empty floppy into your drive A.
It then will create the disc you need to do what I outlined.

Post back if further help is needed.

Daddad

 

I downloaded 2 versions for dos...which do I use?
dos 6.22 alt or dos 6.22 5 1/4 1.2 meg thanks

 

The DOS 6.22 for 5 1/4" 1.2 meg version is for people who still use the older style floppy drives that were popular on the older 386 machines and IBM PC clones years ago.
You can just delete that one.

Further down the Bootdisc.com webpage, they state:

"2. If the Primary link is down, use the Alternate [Alt] link or Mirror Site to download my disks. "

The file content is the same for their primary site and their alternate site for DOS 6.22 (boot622 1030 KB)
A download from either the primary site or the alternate (alt) site will yield the same file and both will create the boot disc with format.com on it that you need to format (wipe clean) that 60 GB HD before you re-install the Win XP Pro operating system.

Daddad

 

Sorry I'm so slow at this but had other problems. Before I start this procedure I have to ask.......does this boot disk perform the fdisk thing, which I always read should be done to clear a hard drive well and also on my 10 gb with xp home I have fat 32 and I am told to do the 60 gb with nts or whatever the thing is xp has. So should I go the ntsf or whatever? T hank you C

 

Hello Clo
Yes, that DOS boot disc contains FDISK and the FORMAT commands.
You can forget the fdisk action on the 60 GB HD if it has only one active partition if that's what you want.
There are those here who use NTFS, but I always use FAT32.
Also, there are those here who like multiple partitions but I prefer only one main partition.
It's your choice Lady.
This tutorial may help you, I suggest you print it out for reference.

http://pcsupport.about.com/library/weekly/aa082602b.htm

Daddad

 

Clo, I thought I should come back and amplify on something I alluded to in an earlier post.
If you use the format.com using the DOS 6.22 boot disk, that will be just fine.
However, if you want to invoke the fdisk command on that 60 GB hard drive (HD) for any reason, you will have to get a later version of a DOS boot disk such as the one for Win 98SE.
The reason being, in the version 6.22 DOS boot disk, Microsoft
only provided for partitions up to 8.4 GB in size.

I have used with much pleasure something from a chap by the name of Mikhail Ranish.
He developed a "Partition Manager" utility that I find most useful and easier to deal with than anything else I have found to date, you can download it here:

http://www.ranish.com/part/

I would strongly suggest the version 2.40 by Ranish himself.

I know this all may be getting rather "sticky" for you as a beginner but better for you to know up front rather than later.

Daddad

 

I will go get the other boot disk as soon as I post this to you. I went to the advanced bios and got confused. I am suppose to check boot from floppy first. I don't see that and also which place do I go? Here is how the page looks in advanced bios:
raid/scsi boot order (raid/scsi)
first boot device (hdd-1)
second boot device (cd rom)
third boot device floppy
Boot up floppy seek (disabled)
password check ( setup)
init display first (agp)
So which one do I click to take care of this? I know I am a pain, but I am really learning here.....thank you

 

Got the new download....now I just use that and not the first one at all? Just do the format, shut down, and put in my xp cd and install? Thank you

 

holy smokes me again. I am ashamed to have to bother again and have everyone else reading how thick in the head I am......I downloaded the new file and it was zipped, so unzipped. Files all over the desk top. 3 are exe. some read me and other stuff. Do I put all of it to a floppy? Or should I just unzip again to a floppy and have all on the disk when I use it? Sorry.....thank you

 

In regard to your post of 08:53
Using your up and down keys on your keyboard, go to "First boot device (hdd-1) and hit "enter key "
Then again using your up/down keys, change that entry to "floppy "

Again, if you are refering to the Ranish zip file, you will not need it UNLESS you choose to change the partitions on that larger HD.
If it only has one partition, and that is what you want, leave it alone and just format it using the format command from the boot disk.

I would strongly encourage you to read all the tutorial links I have provided for you so you can learn in the proper sequence what has to be done to achieve what you want to do.

After you do get that larger HD formatted, go back into your bios and set the "first boot device" to CDROM.
Then put your WinXP disc into your CDROM drive and reboot your machine.
Again, please read the links I provided, they will tell you what to expect and when it will occur.

Daddad

 

DadDad

Just wanted to say "Thanks" for taking the time to write out all that you have, and the links you posted. You taught more than one person a few things with this thread, and I appreciate it.

Johanna
always learning (and glad of it!)