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    CDRome

    CDRome Inactive Thread Starter

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    Hi,

    I've been having dire problems with Win Me and its registry. Each day it fails to recognize a piece of hardware or software. Now I've bought XP Pro and am about to move over and away from Me. I realize the best to go is to reformat and reinstall and have already backked up my entire hard disk to an external drive.

    But... I need someone to hold my hand in this. Here are my questions:

    1. How do I reformat the C drive (or any drive, for that matter)?

    2. I need to flash my BIOS (it's quite old, I think from 2000). How and WHEN do I do that?

    3. Once all of the above is done, do I just pop in the new OS CD and sit and cross my fingers or what?

    I'd apppreciate some help.

    Caren
     
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    Newt

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    BIOS update - now would be a good time. Check the vendor's web site and if there is an update, there should be detailed instructions for doing the 'flash'.

    If your PC's BIOS will allow a setting in the boot order to try a CD first, set for that. Then with the XP CD in the drive, reboot and follow the directions. An option for format and then create a new partition will be fairly early in the process.

    After that, start the install and follow the bouncing ball.

    And an excellent decision to start from the beginning. Updates to ME are often a problem even with the ME system working properly. ME /w problems and upgrading would have been a disaster.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Hello Caren!

    This will happen when You install WinXP.
    During the setup, You will be asked if You want to format the harddisk and the answer to that question is YES and I recommend a full format (as opposed to quick format).
    I also recommend to choose the filesystem NTFS but if the data must be accessible from a Win9X system, it need to be FAT32.

    To answer that question we need more information!
    Computer manufacturer?
    BIOS manufacturer and version?
    When starting the computer, on the first screen it should display these details, like on my computer "Award BIOS version ...... "
    Take notes and post back.

    More or less but we will get to that later.

    By the way, what are the system specifications?
    CPU speed ??? MHz
    RAM memory ??? MB

    If the CPU speed is much lower than 1 GHz and the RAM memory is much below 256 MB, the result might be a computer which is slower than on WinME.

    Have You checked if Your hardware (scanner, printer, etc.) is compatible with WinXP?

    Christer
     
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    Johanna

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    Read through this install XP tutorial

    and to find your system specs fast use Aida32

    Before you go offline, locate your new XP drivers for your hardware and burn them onto a cd. Also, disconnect everything you don't need ( printers, scanners, cameras etc) before you install XP, so that later, you can let XP "find" things, one at a time. These two things aren't necessary, but it's more convenient and easier to troubleshoot if you do run into a problem.

    Post back and let us know how you are doing.

    Johanna
     
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    PeteC

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    Caren,

    This article 'holds your hand', so to speak
    Windows XP Clean Install - fully illustrated with screen shots.

    Edit - Johanna beat me to the line - it's the same article
     
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    CDRome

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    Hey guys and gals, thanks for the quick replies. I still need to read the article Pete and Johanna posted but here are the replies to Christer and Newt:

    My BIOS is ASUS CUV4X ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.

    The computer was assembled by a computer store. It is doesn't have a brand name. It is PIII 800 (6 x 133) and has 768M of RAM installed.

    It''s already messed up enough for it not to recognize its video card (so I see everything oversized and ragged on the monitor) and not be able to connect to the Internet. HOWEVER, since I've just bought an IBM ThinkPad (Win XP Pro) and have spent the last week installing my software onto it and transferring all my files to it, I basically have a working XP copy of my system (customizations and settings included) on the notebook. The idea is to format and fresh install the old PC so that I can then transfer all my settings and files to it from the notebook using a software like PC Relocator.

    I'm saying this so that you know I've got every new driver I need on the notebook already. Even though I can't get them out of there because it has neither a CD-RW nor a floppy.

    OK. It's still not clear to me when exactly I should update the BIOS? Before or after I reformat/fresh install?

    Also, I'd like to partition my drive. Can XP do that for me? (I have Partition Magic 6.0, but I've never used it).

    Caren
     
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    PeteC

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    Caren,

    Flash your BIOS straight off - not that it appears to be a major update - you will find version 1009 here and a flash utility.
    Yes - see step 5 of the tutorial, but Partition Magic will also, but check the size of your hard drive. I don't know the max disk size that PM 6 will partition - PM 7 will go up to 80 Gb, so PM 6 will be less - check out the manual and just check it is compatible with XP.
    - for the hardware on the old pc?? In other words have you downloaded drivers for the hardware on this Me, soon to be XP m/c?

    If you haven't I would not worry unduly - the XP disk has a raft of drivers on board which will more than likely get you going - then you can download direct to this box. In any case you can't transfer anything to this box until it is up and running on XP :)
     
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    Caren,

    This indicates that You probably can expect a general improvement over WinME!

    I did with my specifications.

    Christer
     
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    CDRome

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    Pete,

    I have't downloaded the new hardware drivers for the old PC yet. But I'm glad to read this: "If you haven't I would not worry unduly - the XP disk has a raft of drivers on board which will more than likely get you going" :)

    I have a small problem. The old PC no longer recognizes USB hhardware and my only way to transfer the flash utility and BIOS updates on a floppy is to download it onto the notebook, copy it to a USB external drive and read the drive with the PC, which has a floppy. I guess now I'll have to flash the BIOS after format/fresh install.

    Christer, I think a choochoo train would be better than Win Me Hell. For the past two years I've been having to reboot my PC three or four times a day... no kidding!


    Caren
     
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    Christer

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    Is there no friend or neighbour whos computer You can use to download the flash utility and create the floppy there? It would be to prefer.

    I have deduced from discussions on this board that I migrated from a WinME system which was well tweaked and actually worked fairly well and I noticed a significant improvement with WinXP. You´re up for a treat!

    Christer
     
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    CDRome

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    Christer,

    Thanks. I'll do that at an Internet café near my house tomorrow. I'll post back if there are any problems.

    Thank you everyone for the great tips.

    Caren
     
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    CDRome

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    Here I am again :( OK, I've flashed the BIOS successfully and am now ready to install Win XP, but... my pc, which has been losing bits andd pieces of its capabilities over the past few days, now no longer starts from CD. It does list the two CDRom drives in its initial screen, but it doesn't boot from the Win XP CD nor does it list it under My Computer.

    What should I do?

    Caren
     
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    The most common cause of the sort of random problems you are having is heat. Burned out fan or clogged filters or both.

    Try shutting down and removing the covering from the case. Use canned air or something else that doesn't require touching the insides and clean things out. Then run with the cover off and a small fan blowing on the PC. Your problems may vanish and in that case, it was either dust/lint (now gone) or else you have a bad fan.

    Note that on newer systems the fans are often controlled by thermostat and if the PC is cool (as it will be now) a perfectly good fan may not run.
     
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    CDRome

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    Hi Newt,

    I cleaned out the pc last week when I installed a network card and extra memory. Problem is that the pc has been misbehaving for the past three weeks, deteriorating a little every day. The registry is the main problem. This is why I decided to reformat/move on to Win XP from the dreaded Win Me.

    Do you have any numbers up your sleeve for getting the pc to boot with CD support only? I know it's there, but donìt remember how to get to it. All I manage to do is end up in the screen where I get the normal/safe mode/whatever options.

    BTW I can get to the CD Rom in DOS, but of course XP won't run in DOS mode.
     
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    As you have flashed the bios it may well have reset the boot order back to floppy > HD > CD.

    Go into the BIOS and set the boot order to CD > floppy > HD
     
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    CDRome

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    Hi Pete,

    That was it :)

    Now I'm installing Win XP!!!!
     
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    CDRome

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    OK guys, I'm in the Setup phase and have some questions.

    First: partitions

    I want to reformat the drive and divide it into three partitions: one for the system, one for the doccuments, and one for the swap file (is that a good choice?). The options I have on the screen are: install on C; Create a partition in unpartitioned space; delete selected (C) partition. Which do I go for? And what sizes (my HD is 30 GB)?
     
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    Not knowing the size your hard drive and assuming it is not already partitioned suggest you select second option ' Create a partition in unpartitioned space'

    5 - 6 Gb would be a good size for Win XP. Once you have created this partition - I am surmising now as I have not partitioned a drive this way as I use Partition Magic, I guess you would be given the choice to repeat the operation.

    I favour the use of a separate partition for the Swap file - others have different views - a long thread on that subject way back on the Board. Make this 2 x installed RAM for a fixed size swap file of 1.5 x RAM - that will be plenty. Again other views on this. The alternative is to use a fixed size swap file in the Windows partition - a fixed size prevents fragmentation. I doubt you would see any real difference in performance either way.

    And then make a partition (or two) from the remaining space.

    Nearly midnight here so won't be around much longer.
     
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    CDRome

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    Thanks Pete. I'll follow your suggestion and pester others with other questions as they come up. Good night :)
     
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    CDRome

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    HEEEEEEEEEEELP!

    Half way through Win XP Pro install I got this message:

    "The file chdsk.exe was not copied correctly.

    The file Setup placed on your hard drive is not a validd Windows XP system image. If you are installing from CD, there may be a problem with the Windows XP CD "

    What is this???

    P.S. -- I existed and tried installing again but got the same message again and again with the file name changing each time: "comptui.dll ", "dmconfig.dll" etc.
     
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