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Windows 98 se freezes momentarily and periodically

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  1. 2003/10/06
    willyjc

    willyjc Inactive Thread Starter

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    Windows 98 freezes periodically and looses time. When it freezes
    it does not alow mouse movement. it doesn't remember what you
    typed should it freeze in the middle of typing. Usually if the system becomes busy it will fill in what you typed afterwards but, not now. I can't think of an easier way of describing it. It took me 10 minutes to write this problem.
    Plus is there any good free ware or shareware for cleaning up dead links in the system reg?
    • 384m ram
    • 633 celeron
    • 88% free system resource
    • windows se fully updated
     
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    PeteC

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    Hi Willyjc - welcome to the Board :)

    Your problem could be temperature related - check out your cooling fans - try running with the side of the case off.

    With the PC off, but earthed, unplug and reseat all your boards, cables and RAM
    Plenty around - the following recommended by users on this board - all freeware :

    RegCleaner
    EasyClean 1.7
    RegSeeker

    Run them in this order - make a backup of the entries to be deleted.

    See this thread - post by mflynn 'Clean up good' for instructions re use:
    http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18359
     

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    willyjc

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    didn't work

    Petec,
    Unfortuneatley I did try your suggestion but, to no avail.
    I did how ever find that if I bypass my start-up programs
    the problem seems to stop. But, in there is someone with
    email in their address book who is constantly infected & sending
    me the viruses. So, I would rather not run my computer
    with out my Anti-virus running. I thought I read somewhere
    about anti-virus software causing a similar problem. Do
    you think that this could be causing my problem? If so
    what could a person do to remedy this? Also, Petec,
    It seems to also effect my browser funtionality. When
    clicking on a link the borwser will sit there for up to 30
    seconds at times.

    Thanks for all you help

    Bill Conkel
     
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    What Anti-Virus software are you running ?

    Do not chance that idea.

    E-mail.

    I would suggest getting MailWasher which is capable of checking e-mail right on the server and also may suggest it is Virus infected.

    Then if you are continue to get E-mail from the one place just set it to delete and blacklist it.

    I do not suggest bouncing it as it MAY NOT be actually returned to the same address it came from and some other machine can be infected of not properly protected.

    This will not STOP the spread but can help to slow it down.

    BillyBob
     
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    Hi Bill,

    It seems that there is some good news buried in your post :)
    Ok - you have located a possible source of the problem - now you need to isolate it. It looks like there is a problem with one of those programs, but do not even think of running without antivirus - or a firewall. I have not heard of AV programs giving the problem you describe, but I learn something new each day! Which AV program are you using?

    To assist in your search for which start up program is causing a problem I suggest you download StartUp Control Panel . There are various tabs relating to start up programs each program/applet has a check box which allows you to disable that item. I can't be precise as I am running XP Pro and the setup may well be different for 98SE.

    So try disabling programs in turn to determine which one is the source of the problem - but don't connect to the internet without your AV and firewall running - that's asking for trouble.

    There may be a virus which your AV has not detected - I hope your definitions are up todate, so for peace of mind run an online virus check from here Housecall
     
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    BillyBob - good to have you back on board :D

    You posted while I was researching and replying - hence repeated query re AV prog.
     
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    PeteC. It is good to be back and putting my foot down without a pain going halfway up a leg.

    As far as repeats go that is something that I do realize happens and have come to except it.

    I also agree with Startup Control Panel. I still use Startup Cop but it is basicly the same.

    BillyBob
     
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    I am using Norton System Works with Norton Anti-virus software
     
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    I've not seen a problem with NAV such as you describe. Try disabling ALL NSW elements that may be running - apart from NAV.
     
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    I'll give it a try and let you know kind folks.

    Thanks a lot for your help gentlemen
     
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    You're welcome - just hope you (we) get to the root of the problem.
     
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    Massive system slowdowns such as you have described, particularly when trying to fill in a form online such as posting to this forum, can be caused by the presence of CoolWebSearch. It's particularly nasty because neither Spybot nor AdAware can get rid of it.

    You can get the removal tool, CWShredder and run it (link to the download is near the bottom of the page), which will remove CoolWebSearch.

    If that turned out to be the problem, be sure to go over to the Windows update site and download all the critical updates. One of those patches the vulnerabilty CoolWebSearch exploits to get into your computer.

    I also recommend you download, install, immediately update and then run Spybot and/or AdAware (you can use them both.) Let either (or both) clean up any spyware found.
     
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    Miz,
    tryed the shredder. fortuneatley or unfortuneatley it came up
    with nothing. PetC and Billybob - tried start up control panel
    and I really don't have much running:

    HKLM/Run
    LoadPowerProfile
    NAV DefAlert
    Norton Auto-Protect
    Norton CrashGuard Monitor
    Norton Email protect
    Scan Registry
    System Tray
    TPP Auto Loader

    Start-up User
    Clean Sweap
    Norton System Doctor
    Everything else is empty

    I am now running housecall. we'll see what happens after that.
    Thanks again Folks. For putting some time in this.
    Bill:confused: :confused:
     
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    willyjc

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    Plus I thought it was cured after bypassing the start-up files
    but did not. it still is very slow. it doesn't seem to loose time
    though. so, I have stopped the freezes. now it just takes a while
    to do anything. I will let you know what happens when house call is done.
    Thanks folks
    :confused:
     
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    Hi all!
    I would suggest the following: run "msconfig ", and disable "Load Power Profile" and crashguard. Crashguard is very buggy, and actually causes crashes :p Also, Windows power porfile can conflict with the power settings in the BIOS and cause problems, so should probably be disabled.
    I might also suggest disbaling Nav DefAlert, as this does nothing but tell you when your antivirus is to old. So long as you update weekly, your fine. Finally, if you don't know what TPP autoloader is, I suggest disabling it as well.
    Try these options, and let us know how it goes.
     
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    Norton CrashGuard Monitor

    Ryder is right.

    Deffinetly get rid of of that trouble maker. It causes more crashes than anything.

    Also if you are using the version of Symantec products that contain it you need to UPGRADE to a newer version.

    CG was illiminated 2 or 3 versions back.

    BillyBob
     
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    Ryder Iwill give that a try later tonite when I get home
    Thanks a lot for the help folks. I willet you know.
     
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    I will and thanks Billybob
     
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    The other one to get rid of is System Doctor.

    It is overkill to have it continually running and is probably the one that is causing the erratic performance.

    Just run the other Norton apps on a regular basis. Disk Doctor, Win Doctor, Speedisk, etc.
     
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    I'm watching this one with interest, since when I changed from W95a/IE 5.1 to W98SE/IE5.5 I am experiencing the same symtptons and this never occurred with W95.
    I've tried most of the suggestions offered here, including a software CPU cooler called Waterfall. I don't run any housekeeping software, prefering to look after that myself.
    An interesting thing though, I run a timer program called ccm30 as I am on a two hour/day account. It starts a elapsed time clock as soon as I am connected and I have noticed that when I get these mometary freezes and then the restart, the timer which has stopped also restarts but with the correct elapsed time as if nothing had happened. Seems like a Video adpater problem where everything is running happily in the background and the video adapter just goes walkabout for a short period.
    It's a Nividia Geforce2 MX/MX 400 with the latest drivers installed and it worked fine with W95.
    As I said, I'll be watching.:confused:
     
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