Mouse not recogniced

Hi,
Wonder if anyone can fill me in here.
On my second PC old one I changed the Video Card from a
old Diamond Stealth 1mb PCI to a old TsengLabs 4000 8mb ISA the Mouse works fine with the Diamond card the Pc works very well with the TsengLabs Card except Windows will not recognice the Mouse. I can get the Mouse pointer on the screen by pushing down one of the buttons on bootup and it will display the hourglass during boot but when finished loading it will not move.
Windows 98 SE.
( hope some of you oldies out there can remember the TsengLab 4000 hot it was )

hawk22

 

What type of Mouse ?

Serial, PS2 or USB.

1st two should not need drivers.

3rd one may need drivers.

Is any type of adapter being used to connect the mouse.

I have had cases where a so called either/or turned out to be not the case.

I have yet to have a PS2 or Serila mouse that did not work in Windows ( any version )

BillyBob

 

Did you dislodge the the serial connector when you removed the old video card?

 

Hi there BillyBob & Ray,

Thanks for responding, It is a Serial Mouse the one with the 15 (I think ) pins. I haven't got it here for a little while I lent it to my niece for a short time.
I don't believe Ray that anything got dislodged because as soon as I put the other Video card back in it worked again and I did it 2 times just changing it back and and forth, the Mouse works fine with the Diamond Stealth 1mb PCI but not with the TangLabs ET4000 ISA.
I have no Idea, would those Memory Chips those charcoal rectangular things be Interchangable the Diamond has 3 empty ones wheras the ET4000 is full with 8 of them.
It seems strange to me, that the Video Card could disable the Mouse, unless it has to do with the ET4000 being ISA.
When I changed the video cards over I had no drivers for them Windows just used it's own drivers and the display was very good on 1024*768 I tried to change it down but I could not manage it with no mouse. I tried several times to manually in Add New Hardware to install the Mouse but Windows tells me I can connect now a new Mouse, but does not pick it up.
And no there is no adapter on it for PS2 the old Motherboard has no connector for it only the 15 (I think)pins.
The Mobo is a: P51430VX / 250 DM EXPLORER2 Speed Easy with Intel 430 VX chip set.
Well Ray and BillyBob hope this info triggers some more
clues.
thanks again
hawk22

 

Hi there BillyBob & Ray,

Thanks for responding, It is a Serial Mouse the one with the 15 (I think ) pins. I haven't got it here for a little while I lent it to my niece for a short time.
I don't believe Ray that anything got dislodged because as soon as I put the other Video card back in it worked again and I did it 2 times just changing it back and and forth, the Mouse works fine with the Diamond Stealth 1mb PCI but not with the TangLabs ET4000 ISA.
I have no Idea, would those Memory Chips those charcoal rectangular things be Interchangable the Diamond has 3 empty ones wheras the ET4000 is full with 8 of them.
It seems strange to me, that the Video Card could disable the Mouse, unless it has to do with the ET4000 being ISA.
When I changed the video cards over I had no drivers for them Windows just used it's own drivers and the display was very good on 1024*768 I tried to change it down but I could not manage it with no mouse. I tried several times to manually in Add New Hardware to install the Mouse but Windows tells me I can connect now a new Mouse, but does not pick it up.
And no there is no adapter on it for PS2 the old Motherboard has no connector for it only the 15 (I think)pins.
The Mobo is a: P51430VX / 250 DM EXPLORER2 Speed Easy with Intel 430 VX chip set.
Well Ray and BillyBob hope this info triggers some more clues.
thanks again
hawk22

 

SO SORRY i DOUBLED UP

 

G'Day Hawk22

The only thing that your info triggers for me is;

"I have no idea why that should be. "

I have had Mice with and Adaptor not work. Or I have had problems with a USB. But never had the problem that you are having.

And even in XP I have not had a Serial Mouse refuse to work.

But inadvertantly and completely unintentional you have made a point that is not always thought of. Or ignored.

The point being that Video cards and/or drivers for same can mess up seemingly unrelated things.

You mention 15 pins. I believe a Serial Mouse is only 9 pin plug unless adapted to a 25 pin. But you are in an entirely different area than I am. So thing may be different.

Now I gotta get outa here and find out why I have three programs that would run this morning. Just because I moved them they still should work.

Oh well maybe XP messed up. HEHE More than likely the USER of XP messed up.

BillyBob

 

G'day BillyBob,

Thanks for trying, strange one this, and you are right it is only 9 Pin the serial mouse, had a look at one at work.
One thing Bob, how do you change a Video Card in a AGP Port. I just changed over from my old ASUS TNT2 to a ASUS V9180 Magic. Using the Auto Driver install I did not delete the old drivers I just swapped the card over and used the auto driver install from the CD.It seems to work fine. Should you manually uninstall the old drivers I have not done so.
I have checked in device manager and the new card is there with it's driver that came with the CD wich is v 31.40 F
but checking on the ASUSTEC website they have a newer version available v 44.69 A should I download that version and install it I think it said it was somewhere around 14 mb.
How exactly do you go about doing that. (Installing from a download) I had expected a overall improvement in graphics going up from 16mb to 64mb but I can see no difference at all.
On a different matter while I was looking around in the Device Manager I noticed that I had SCSI Controllers listed and opening it there is a AXVSCSI Controller listed but I do not have any SCSI devices installed on my PC.
And funny enough when loading NERO (burner software)
it takes for ever scanning for SCSI - IDE devices.
Do I need them or should I delete them.
Your comments as always are much appreciated.

hawk22

 

I am gald that we got the head ( oops I mean pin ) count straightened out

When chanigng Video cards ( or even drivers for it ) it seems to be better if all old drivers are removed and allow the card to be re-asigned as a 640x480 16 color VGA setup.

Other wise Windows may try to use the pre-existing ones instead of the new ones.

With Nvidia cards I have had to go in and MANUALLY remove all references to Nvidia drivers before Windows finally stoped trying to use them.

Then shut down and remove the card, plug in the new, restart the machine and let it use the Standard 640x480 VGA setup here.

Alias. Say NO to serching for drivers when it finds new hardware. Then restart windows AT LEAST once more before attemping to install the new drivers.

As to installing from a downloaded file. Things can differ here.

Some of them install right from the downloaded file. While others get expanded into another folder to which you need to go to and run setup ( install )

As to the SCSI bit. A Dingo ( I think that is the name for your wild dogs ) out in the Bush would have just as much of an idea what to do about that as I do.

BillyBob

 

Hi there BillyBob,
Thanks for the info. How do you know if Windows tries to load the old drivers and not the new ones. In Device Manager there are only the new ones listed.
And in regards to the SCSI controllers do you have them listed in your Device Manager??
Sorry to keep naging about that.
regards
hawk22

 

How do you know if Windows tries to load the old drivers and not the new ones.

If when you installed the new card and restart the machine and Windows finds new hardware and DOES NOT ask for the location of the drivers then it will be using the old ( existing ) ones.

Removing the old ones first will stop this. And somethines this requires both a manual cleanout of the drivers from the C:\Windows\inf or C:\Windows\inf\other folders plust the registry.

As to SCSI controllers. I see none listed here in XP or on the other 98SE machine.

BillyBob

 

Hi Bob, sorry to be such drag,
I lack experiance completely when it comes to video cards.
As the new drivers are listed in Device Manager, would this indicate that Windows is using those drivers ??
I deleted those entries SCSI Controllers in the Device Manager but after a reboot they are back again.
Any Idea on how to delete them permanently..
It apears to me that they are not needet I ran a diagnostic with Sandra and I found this:
RICOH CD-R-RW MP7163A (my Burner) SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA / ATAPI device
and the same for my PIONEER DVD-Rom DVD that just about tells me to get rid of them I would say.
Burner and CD Rom are IDE ATA 100.
Thanks for your continious support BillyBob
regards
hawk22