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Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Shturmovik, 2003/07/23.

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  1. 2003/07/24
    Shturmovik

    Shturmovik Inactive Thread Starter

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    Norton AV

    Pete C,
    I did that and got the error message I noted below (or above) about the QConsole.
    Windows Explorer does not display the infected/quarantined files. Does Norton AV hide them? Curioser and curioser...
     
  2. 2003/07/24
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    Wait for someone esle but I think you have a DEAD ( inoperable ) NAV.

    And I must ask. What in the world is this all about ?

    got the error message I noted below (or above) about the QConsole. Windows Explorer does not display the infected/quarantined files

    The selection that PeteC suggested should display the quarantined files.

    At least if I remember correctly it should.

    Unless the system being set to NOT show all files has an effect on this.

    And I can not help much with that as I no longer have NAV loading on any machine.

    BillyBob
     
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  4. 2003/07/25
    PeteC

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    I think BB is probably right - QConsole.exe is a NAV file - and I would suggest the following course of action:

    1. Uninstall NAV via Add/Remove programs - see the link below for more details and other ways - I have assumed NAV 2003, but that can be changed to 2002 on the page. If NAV is part of a suite like Norton Utilities you need to take care in some of the steps outlined below to only delete references to NAV. Probably safer/easier to uninstall the whole suite.

    Uninstall Norton Antivirus

    Check in Windows Explorer > Program Files that the Norton/Symantec directories are gone - if not delete them. Also look in Common Files > Symantec Shared and delete that if still present

    2. As the installation of NAV may be corrupt and not uninstall completely/correctly :

    Download and run RegCleaner Look in the first two columns for any reference to Norton - these are the leftovers from the uninstaller - remove them. Then Tools > Registry Cleanup > Do them all and delete all it finds.

    Download and run EasyClean 1.7 . Run only Unneccessary Files and Registry and delete all it finds

    For good measure download RegSeeker and run Clean the Registry - check that Backup before deletion is checked and delete al it finds. Also check Startup Entries and delete references to Norton and History - Old start Menu Items - delete them all.

    3. Run an online virus checker such as Housecall

    4. Reload Norton - or your choice of AV software and update it and the virus definitions immediately and set the program to autoupdate virus definitions.

    5. Run a full system scan

    6. Install a firewall if you don't already have one - such as Kerio Personal Firewall or Zone Alarm
     
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    BillyBob Lifetime Subscription

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    . Install a firewall if you don't already have one -

    Now days this is as important as Anti-Virus.



    YES, YES. YES


    Also if cost is not prohibitive purchase a Router. It will take tremendous load off of your Software firewall and add strong protection ( hardware I believe ) to system.

    And as an added protection against re-infection I suggest some things that quite often get forgoten.

    Also as a reminder. I would be very careful of any previous backups that were made.

    In 98FE or SE Make sure that the RB00X.CAB files in the C:\Windows\Sysbckup folder get DELETED. This is for more than just Virus reasons. They will contain the refs to the old Norton stuff

    And for the same reason(s) as in SE. In ME or XP Shutdown System Restore before cleaning and DUMP ALL previous restore points.

    BillyBob
     
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  6. 2003/07/25
    Chiles4

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    I agree with you 100%, BB (excuse the editing).

    I've been running Win98SE flawlessly for years and have absolutely no complaints. I even run my online business on it. For me, it's blazing fast (except at boottime), doesn't crash and all my apps run flawlessly. Of course, I keep my machine as clean and well-maintained as possible.

    I think Win98 has gotten a bad rap from what people do with their PCs as soon as it's in their hands. That's why I ghost their hard drive before I deliver the box. How many times have you looked at people's PCs and gagged at the condition it was in from a software/OS standpoint?

    I get razzed by people for using 98 and I listen to all the technobabble about memory management in XP and the joys of the NTFS file system. But, bottom line, if it doesn't translate into perceptible benefit, where's the improvement? and why change?

    Sure new apps and even drivers may only be written for XP but if you don't need them or aren't using them...?

    Right now I've got XP Pro on my personal rig but I'm using it basically to learn that OS. And when I install it, I have about an extra hour's work of disabling and removing stuff that I don't need or want - endless tweaks I've gotten from places like Tweakxp.com.

    And, IMHO, I think we'd find that most people believe that Win2000 is the best OS ever produced by M$.
     
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    Thank you Chiles4

    I did not think I was alone.

    I also ( mostly ) put XP Pro in for learning. But also to get a jump on things before I was forced to go for it.

    I have also learned to coral it a little.

    As to boot up. I really pay no attention to that as long as the machine does boot and run properly afterwords.

    Have a nice day.

    BillyBob
     
  8. 2003/07/25
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    Chiles - BillyBob,

    Ok, you guys got your opinion, I've got mine.

    I dual boot 9X/XP, same environment. There is a perciptable difference.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Well good for you. You are happy. I am happy. And that is all that really matters.

    You like XP. I don't. And am VERY likely to dump is as a Main OS. It may suddenly become my back up HD.

    As I said before If I do not look at the Desktop or which HD is connected I would have no damned idea as to which one I was using.

    There is no Operating system built that will react or behave the same on EVERY machine. That has not happend so far and I doubt it ever will happen.

    And I can verify that hands on too. I got 3 machines with 98 SE and NO TWO OF THEM behave the same. Mainly because they have different Motherboards. Different amounts and/or types of RAM. Different Video cards. Different Audio cards. But sitll the SAME BASIC Win98 SE.

    But one thing they do share. And that is they are all ROCK SOLID with NO PROBLEMS for over a year. And that is with grandchildren, Nieces and Nephews beating on them.

    BillyBob
     
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    BillyBob,

    I didn't know that you disliked it so much, knew that you were new to it and I thought were having a good time exploring it.

    As for myself, I don't dislike 9X as much as releived that for certain apps, image processing and arhitectual work, don't have to worry about hitting 9X's System Resources limits.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    I didn't know that you disliked it so much, knew that you were new to it and I thought were having a good time exploring it

    I did not intend to imply that I did not like it. That would be debatable.

    I am having a good time exploring it. I am learning it. As I know I will very likely have to use it more in the future.

    I just do not at this time find it to be any better than 98 SE.

    Well, Well. Finally something that EXPLAINS a lot. And for that use IT DOES ( or I have to say may ) make a lot if difference.

    Now that MY Friend Explains FULLY ( with no questions asked ) why XP may be better for you.

    And it may also explain why I do not see much difference in the two. We do not use XP for the same things.

    Now I believe we have a much clearer picture of why the difference in our feeling about XP.

    For that I have to say thank You. And I think we have now cleared things up VERY NICELY.

    BillyBob
     
  12. 2003/07/27
    RayH

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    Shturmovik If you caught a virus, then anything is possible. Computer ran fine. Computer got virus. Now computer doesn't run so good. Anti-virus program says everything is OK. Computer doesn't run so good? Hmmmmmmmm.........

    Personally, I think you would do well to just get a whole new computer and get XP with it! You are one category of person who will definitely benefit with a more powerful computer and XP. Manipulating 3D graphics takes a lot of computing power.

    Trust me on this, a P-4 with 800 MHz front side bus and dual channel DDR RAM (at least 1 GB) would do you quite well. You add an SATA (serial) 10,000 RPM hard drive you are going to notice performance difference. XP will handle it.

    As you are doing rendering, you also may do better with a Fire GL graphics card.
     
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