Test-bench

whoa down a minute - is that a MoBo revision you are referencing? I've never seen or heard of a BIOS revision with this nomenclature. If its a board revision and you've got a Version x.1 - you could be SOL with that CPU.

 

I use a not too old open ATX case as my 'bench' and one feature that you may find useful in this type situation is a speaker, which can produce dignastic beeps.

 

No the Motherboard is a MS-6340 VER:5, but I suspect that it has version 1 out of 3 BIOS versions 3 being the last with support up to AMD XP 2600+
I can get hold of a AMD Duron 750 and stick that on and see what happens.
hawk22

 

That's right, if you need a later version of the BIOS, you will have to use the smaller processor to do the upgrade.
*I suggest that when you have shut down to replace the CPU, clear the CMOS, so that the BIOS will detect the 750 correctly.

Matt

 

thanks Matt, which would you recommend change over jumper or pull the battery.
hawk22

 

I posted something last night/ early morning but got a BBS error message and it never went on through. Will try to recap from memory with additional comments. Matt is right on re: needing to put that Duron back in in order to flash your Bios. As I recall from reading specifics about your MoBo, there were actually the original and three subsequent revisions of your BIOS starting with something like 6.0 through 6.3. I also noticed from a picture on the MSI site, there appears to be a green CMOS jumper between PCI slots 1 & 2. Use this to clear CMOS and you'll have to do it when you install the Duron before you reboot and again after your flash and finally, after you put that Palamino back in. Instructions- Disconnect power cord, open case, disconnect ATX power header from Main board, move CMOS jumper from pins 1&2 to 2&3, wait 20 seconds, rejumper 1&2, reconnect ATX power header, reconnect power cord, Boot into BIOS Setup and set at default or set accordingly if you're familiar with this.

If you need help re: flashing - holler back and we can walk through that as well.

Good Luck

 

Hi and thanks for that reply, you are spot on mate, The BIOS is 6.0 to 6.3 and I can only assume that it is on 6.0 as the previous owner told me he had never touched the BIOS.
And yes there is the little green Jumper between the PCI Slots.
Now Rockster please go trough this for me in detail as I have never done this before, but I am certain it will not be the last time. I print out all those instructions and file them for References.
I am taking this CPU out of a working machine that I have picked up and it happens to be a MS "“ 6378 Board, so I know that the CPU is ok.
The way I understand it
a.) Install Duron 750
b.) clear CMOS jumper 1&2 to 2&3 wait 20 seconds back to 1&2
c.) boot PC and flush BIOS to ver:6.3 ( please tell me in detail how to) I have downloaded the BIOS including the utility from the MS website.
Am I correct by assuming that I have to clear the CMOS before Booting to the Duron 750
And then again after installing the Pallamino back in.
Is that not wiping the new 6.3 BIOS??

As you can see I need to learn a lot, please be patient with me.

Cheers
Hawk22

 

OK, lets be very cautious here and if you have any questions - stop and ask them. Flashing a BIOS is not a big deal, provided one follows a few basic steps. We'll get to that but first, lets go through changing out that processor.

You want to shut down and disconnect everything from your case as far as external power, wires, cables etc.. Now, carefully remove the heatsink and then clean the die on top of your processor with alcohol on a QTip. Then carefully disengage the swing arm latch and remove the CPU. Place your Duron in there, apply artic silver or something similar and put the heatsink back on after cleaning its bottom plate with alcohol.

Now, disconnect the 20 pin ATX power header from your motherboard and do your thing with that little green jumper (described earlier). Once thats completed, reconnect your mouse, keyboard and monitor and boot while tapping on your Delete Key. That will put you into your BIOS setup menu. Set everything at default except the time and date and exit using the F10 Key to save your settings. This will take you into a full boot after which you can turn off your computer. Now comes the part requiring extreme caution caution (for emphasis)..

We need to make a floppy disk on another machine. First we'll need to download three things. DRDFlash.exe is a self extracting Dr. DOS boot disk. Once you've downloaded it, put a blank formatted floppy in your floppy drive and double click on the executable. This will makeup the first part of the disk we will need. Next, download AWDFlash.zip and use the appropriate version as recommended by MSI for your board. Then extract files from this zipped download to your same disk still in the A drive. Now, you need the Correct BIOS File which will also be zipped. Once downloaded, it too can be extracted to the disk in the A Drive. Thats the last of three sets of files you need to put on that floppy.

Now you can boot your MSI machine with the floppy disk you just made in the floppy drive. This will boot you into Dr Dos and give you an A prompt. Type in dir to bring up a directory and write down the exact name of the .bin file. You will get another A prompt and will type in AWDFLASH.EXE. This will start the flash process and a menu will come up asking you what file you want to program - type in the EXACTNAME.BIN you wrote down earlier and do not interrupt the process. You will be asked if you want to save the old BIOS and you can indicate Yes. Name it old.bin

Do not turn off your machine, leave your machine or in any way interrupt this process. If for any reason the flashing program indicates a problem, you will be given a chance to restore old.bin Upon successful completion, you'll be prompted to exit by hitting F1 or Cntrl-Alt-Del. After that and only after that, turn off your machine at the main power button. Follow the instructions and no matter what you do - do not turn off your main power before you are completely finished. Don't do this if the weather is lousy or your wife wants to plug her curlers in the outlet next to your computer. A Bad Flash and you are unbootable until you get a new BIOS chip for your mainboard. Now, before you try to restart - Its time to clear CMOS again - you know the procedure. Then back to defaults in the BIOS and a full boot using the Duron. Now you can shutdown, change processors, clear CMOS again and then reset your BIOS again. Then boot with that Palamino - lets Hope!

This should put you in business. Do some reading on this subject if you have reservations. Its not difficult but its not for the faint of heart either. Get it wrong and you may have a doorstop until you get a new or re-programmed chip. (These can be had from Jack@BadFlash.com and he runs a very good business and has for a number of years).

Good Luck.



edit: I guess it should be noted - this is how I would do it. Others, may recommend specific switches following the bin file. If MSI (no, I really didn't read what they had to say) or someone else recommends a different approach - you decide what's best for you. Call it a disclaimer if that helps, but you need to approach this cautiously.

 

"Wow" thank you Rockster, this will take me a few days to digest, I will download the things and get it all ready and by the weekend I should be ready to rock and roll.
I will holler back if I have any questions in the meantime.
Thanks again
hawk22

 

Hi, One short question,on the DRDFlash.exe there is a text file and a MS Word File on as well should I delete them from the boot Floppy??
hawk22

 

Not aware of any word file but I'd leave everything intact. Again, one should run the executable that you extracted with a floppy in the drive.

 

Hi, and thanks, The BIOS update has been sucessfully implemented and the Duron 750 was running well after the update, but when I re-installed the Palomino 1900+ the result was the same as before the update I could tell right away as there was no beep from the Mobo and the Scroll Lock light on the Keyboard would not go off CPU Fan and Mouse all light up but that is all.
I cleared the CMOS before installing the Palomino but made no other adjustments in the BIOS should I have done so or is it now proof that the CPU is dead, this is what I assume.
cheers
hawk22

 

Hawk22:

How does the saying go - I regret to inform you that ...........
Sounds to me like your new processor is a problem child.

I'm assuming you cleared CMOS after removing the Duron and I'm assuming you couldn't make any changes in the BIOS because you can't get the machine to start up. If you come up yes on both, then the CPU is history.



edit: For the benefit of all readers, Hawk22 went through some advanced degree training behind the scenes and flashed his BIOS to the latest version which does support the AGOGA core Palamino 1900+ he has now installed.

 

Hi, and yes Rockster the answer is YES & Yes but I am not upset about it.
This is only a very minor setback, as I only pay'd $AU 16- about $10 US for it. To be honest it was worth it just for the experiment in fixing the bent pins, I did straighten them pefectly the CPU fell into the socket.
I am looking at a couple of Athlon XP 2000+ and 2100+ guaranteed to work.
All in all this has been a experiment worth every second of it and I will finish it.
My object was to build a working PC on a Test Bench before dismantling a working PC that needs upgrading Duron 800. It will then be a quick and easy change over and cheap as well. An exersize well worth to anyone who likes to learn a bit.
I would like to thank especially to Rockster for his guidance in Flushing the BIOS.
and the rest of the guy's for the input they have made.
I will let you know how things are going when I have a replacement for the Palomino.
regards
hawk22

 

Hi, I am back sooner than I thought, I have now replaced the dead 1900+ with a Athlon XP2000+ Thoroughbred and the Mobo did pick it up straight away.
I do have a few further questions now, on booting into the BIOS I could not find the page or line where I need to set the multiplier and frequency for this CPU as it is only reading it as a 1.3MHz and not 1.67. Also do I need to set the Jumper on the Mobo to FSB 266 or leave it on 133 where it is at the moment.
I did set it to Optmised Default.
The specs of the CPU are here.

Type Microprocessor
Part number AXDA2000DUT3C
Processor core Thoroughbred (Model 8)

Manufacturing process 0.13 micron
Package 453-pin organic PGA
1.95" x 1.95" (4.95 cm x 4.95 cm)
Socket Socket A (Socket 462)

Speed (MHz) • 2000 (rated)
• 1667 (real)
Bus frequency (MHz) 133
Clock multiplier 12.5
Stepping codes AIRCA AIRGA AIUCB AIUGA AIUHB AIXIB JIUHB JIXHB JIXIB KIUHB KIXHB KIXIB KIXJB RIRGA
Low power features • Halt state
• Stop Grant states
• Sleep state
• Probe state
Other features • MMX technology
• SSE
• 3DNow! Professional
Level 1 cache size 64 KB code
64 KB data
Level 2 cache size Full-speed on-die 256 KB
Floating Point Unit Integrated
V core (V) 1.6
Min/Max operating temperature (°C) 0 - 90
Typical/Max power dissipation (W) 54.7 / 60.3

Notes on AMD AXDA2000DUT3C:
• Bus frequency is 133 MHz. Because the processor uses Double Data Rate bus the effective bus speed is 266 MHz.
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AMD Athlon XP 2000+ - AXDA2000DUT3C
Posted by: AAC 2007-01-11 13:1

I thank you in advance
Hawk22

 

My best guess is that you are running 12.5 x 100, and need to set the FSB to 133. This should be on the first or second page of your BIOS.

 

That rings a bell for me. You speak about a jumper on the motherboard. My Asus m/b of the same vintage has a jumper for setting the FSB as 100 or 133Mhz. You will probably find that the jumper is set to 100Mhz and you need to change it to 133Mhz.

Matt

 

Not sure if there is going to be a jumper or not but Hawk22 - I think that is your situation - 100Mhz vs 133Mhz. Time to look at that manual.

 

Hi Matt & Rockster,
Thanks yes there is a Jumper CPU FSB Frequency Jumper on the Mobo but it has only 2 pins and it looks to me as if you need to put the Jumper on for FSB=133MHz there is no jumper there just 2 little black blocks at the base of the pins I would say the stops for the Jumper. What sort of jumper would be needed for that. I can not find anything in the BIOS under Advanced that would relate to CPU Speed or CPU Frequency Multiple. I have searched the Manual as well but I can not detect anything where I can do this but it must be somewhere but where. In Frequency/Voltage Control I have:
Auto Detect DIMM / PCI CLK (Enabled)
CPU Host /PCI / Spread Spec (Default)
that is all hope someone can set me on to right path here.
thanks in advance
hawk22

 

Would any 2 pin Jumper from another mobo do the trick, I have a few of them around.
hawk22