Problem burning--IDE Bus

I have always had problems when copying a disk. I have Roxio 7, and it would always show me an error message. So I decided to use Nero 5, and before it even started copying the disks it shows me the following message:
It looks like both your source and your destination drive for the "on the fly" copy process are connected to the same IDE bus. We would strongly recomment to connect your source and the destination drive to different IDE buses.
I understand that if I don't do an "on the fly" burning, i wouldn't have any problems, but I don't want to do that. Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't know what an IDE bus is, and I don't know how to change my cd drives. I have a Compaq Presario 5000, running windows XP. I would appreciate your help.

fernando

 

If you aren't comfortable pulling the lid of the box and reconfiguring the drives, then take it to a shop. It won't cost much.

What you need to do is get the burner on the second ide cable and leave the HD connected to the first, where it is now.

The commonly accepted config. is:

HD = Primary (ide 1) Master
Burner = Secondary (ide 2) Master
Any other drives:
2nd HD = Primary (ide 1) Slave
cd-rom drive = Secondary (ide 2) slave

If you change anything, be sure you reset any jumpers as needed. If using Cable Select, that won't be a problem. However, with multimdrives are on one cable and using cable select, put the master on the very end connector.

 

Yeah, i open up my computer all the time. I opened it up and both of my hard drives are in the primary cable. The two cd drives are in the secondary cable, but the burner is a slave instead of a master. What you are saying is that if I change my burner into the master I will no longer have this problem??

thank you for your time,
fernando

 

To get rid of the message you need to connect one of the two cd drives as a slave to the hard drive on the primary IDE connector. If it were me, I'd try connecting the cdrom drive as a slave on the primary and then set the burner as a master on the secondary controller. This is assuming you only have one hard drive.

 

two hard drives...

I have two hardrives. So what I have to do is Connect my "main" hard drive as a master and my cd rom as its slave in the primary ide. And connect my burner as a master and my "extra" hard drive as its slave in the secondary ide, right?

 

Yes, that is correct.

 

Sometimes there will be a problem making the cables reaching in a particular configuration. The overriding concept is to keep the burner on the secondary channel as a master. The primary HD of course is the master on the primary channel always. The slaves can be on either channel that the cables will handily reach. You'll not notice any difference in performance by any particular placing of the slaves.

I can't physically get mine any other way but this:

Primary IDE = Boot HD(master) and 2nd HD(slave)
Secondary IDE channel = Burner(master) cd-rom(slave)

That's been my experience. Works fine. YMMV

 

ok...

ok then, thanx guys. I just got a question, surferdude, wouldn't you get the same message I get since you have both cd drives in the same ide?

 

I don't know but I imagine I would if I did "On the fly" copying. I cache all my copying since it makes for fewer coasters around the shack. Nero does that for me by nature automatically.

I just can't do the hookup any other way given the constraints of the 15 1/2 inch (40 cm.) data cables.

 

oopps...

hey now that you mention that, the size of the data cables could be a problem... is there like different sized cables out there?

 

When it comes to cable length, there is a lot of confusing advice floating around. If you value your data, you'll stick with the recommended lengths.

Reputable computer supply stored won't stock or sell anything questionable. In that category I would place any cable in excess of 18" long that is intended to be used on a modern system with ATA/66 drives or above. That means about all of them anymore.

I see lengths of up to 36" offered for these applications. It just isn't worth the gamble if you value your sanity and data. Granted, the 400 cm. limit is a spec derived by the egg heads and they tend to be conservative, I still try to abide by their advice. I've never seen a new computer shipped with anything longer.

As for the Cable Select feature, most newer computer controllers will support it. It all but requires the 80 cond. cable although you can jerry rig one from an old 40 cond. cable if you are handy with a razor knife and wire snips. If you make one using this method, the Master must be connected on the end most connector. You must clip a small section out of the #28 pin conductor between the HD connectors so as to open the circuit.

I often see blind advice given about what position to connect the master and slave on a Cable Select cable. I never trust doing that and advise that they be connected as the cable is marked. Generally that will mean the Master will be the farthest from the controller but there are exceptions. It pays to examine the cable closely for markings.

This data is moving so fast on modern computers that the cable length becomes a significant delay line and can cause some peculiar problems that defy understanding. That's why it's best to play by the rules and just have the common problems.

Sata cables are a different ball game entirely and I see them offered up to 72 inches. Go figure.

 

More, following on surferdude2 commentary. 18 ", 24" & 36" are your current standards and, with 80 wire cables and modern hardware, all of these should work well with little or no variance in performance. Not sure of the origin of clipped pin #28 but thats very true and will be very visible on flat ribbon cable. Note - there was also a Western Digital problem some 4-5 years ago re: drive recognition and the solution was clipping wires #1 & 2 on 80 wire cables. Absent any real fix, WD started with supplying free replacement cables and then made the change system wide. Re: CS drive position - no arguement re: following cable mfg markings but standard is master on header furthest from MB connector (terminating connector) and slave on header closest to MB connector (intermediate connector). MB connector is commonly molded of blue plastic these days so there's hope for those of us who don't read.

 

Thanks for spotting that flub of mine Rockster2U.

I should have proofed my comments better. I suspect people like me are why the bad advice is floating around like it is. Of course the Master is generally always the farthest from the controller on 80 cond. cable select systems. It's hard to believe that I can see something a thousand times and then state the opposite! Dyslexic dysfunction takes over sometimes when I try to type and think at the same time. Especially with that chewing gum that fell on the keyboard. You'll notice that I had it correct in post #2. Go figure.

Thanks again and best regards.


ps. fer rios25, I apologize for any confusion that may have caused. The salient points may well be, use the shortest 80 cond. cable possible and keep the Master drive on the very end.
Also please see this for more info about cables.

And this for info about SATA.

 

hehe

surferdude you and your mistakes, we gotta be thankful this forum allows you to edit your posts My master hd is the innermost, so I'm going to have to make many changes. I'll see what I can do.

 

Good luck! I always wanted to experiment on other peoples drive layouts. I never fool with mine, too dangerous.

 

Good snip with a pair of scissors and its back on the end - 1 header, no more worries. Might even be able trade the remaining piece of ribbon cable for a couple sticks of gum. Oh, oh - what are you going to do with #28?

 

huh??

#28 ??? What do you mean??? Hehe surferdude, i'll let you know how it goes, i haven't done it cuz I got a little lazy, buy i'll probably do it today and post it tomorrow.

 

cable sizes...

I was able to rearrange my cables so both cd roms were in different ide buses, but the cables were too short, so I had my hard drives hanging on their cables for a while. It was sure faster "burning on the fly ", but I wan't going to leave my hds that way. So now I have both of my cd roms in the same ide, keeping my eye open for a longer cable so I can do what I need to do.