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CD-R versus CD-RW

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by Christer, 2003/09/18.

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  1. 2003/09/18
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi all!

    I don´t know if this issue has been addressed before so here I go:

    When I image my system partition and burn to CD-Rs, it requires four of them. Quite soon they get out of date and thrown away which seems like a waste.
    I´m considering buying CD-RWs instead to be able to reuse them.

    Is there anyone out there willing to share his/her experience of CD-RW and Ghost Images?

    Everything degrades, is it actual write and erase cycles or age that is the predominant factor?

    Are CD-RWs more prone to read-/write-failure?

    How many times can they be reused before quality starts to degrade?

    In Sweden, CD-RWs are approximately twice as expensive as CD-Rs. This means that from an economical point of view I should be able to use them at least three times.

    My priority is quality before economy!

    Thanks for Your time,
    Christer
     
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    I have CDRW's here that have been reused over 50 times.
    I think that kinda answers the question :D

    All my ghost images, and my toolbox software are on CDRW's.
    I had one go bad, but it was probably close to 200 rewrites.
     

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    They do seem a bit outdated...
    My point was, even if the cost of a CDRW was 4 times more, you'd still save money. Sure, they do burn at slower speeds than CDR's, but you should easily get 20 or 30 burns, on the cheap ones, and more on the namebrand type. I use LG or Memorex.
     
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    I wish I had Reboot's luck. I've constantly had CD-RWs go bad when used over and over. I've used different brands but I never got more than 10 "rewrites" out of them before Nero reported that your CD-RW is "garbage ". Once I cured the problem on one bad CD-RW by doing a full erase on the CD-RW instead of a quick erase. Not sure if that's the answer to getting CD-RWs to last really long but I'm much too lazy to wait through a full erase.

    So I permanently switched to CD-Rs for backups. To make my backups more "practical ", I actually save the ghost image to another PC's hard drive by transferring the file over my network. I only burn critical data to a CD-R.
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Guys,
    my burner is an 8/8/32 so I´m used to slow ...... ;) ...... I just relax a bit, go get some more coffe to wash my gastric ulcer!

    Christer
     
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    Ah, the advantages of having more than one computer. I do full formats on the CDRW's, on whichever maching I'm NOT using for something else ;)
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Well, I believe that Full-Erase will preserve quality better than Quick-Erase. However, I can´t afford two computers but I can afford to be patient ...... :cool: ......

    Christer
     
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    Actually, I've got four PCs in the house if you include my girls' but I can't afford a second burner! :D
     
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    I partition my hard drive. My C is only programs and the OS. I have a few ilmages burned to CD. But I mostly keep two or three images about on another partition.
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    RayH,
    I´ve adopted the same strategy as You have and have transfered the most vital Images to CDs.

    Better to burn and crash than to crash and burn ...... :D ......

    Christer
     
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    Only once since I got Drive Image have I had to do some actual hardware repair. It was no big deal. It allows me to be reckless, a bit! :)
     
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    Hi Christer,

    Well here come my 2 cents :D I have my HD partitioned up into four segmants (thanks for the help with that Christer) and
    my set up consists of C:\ OS mail and browsers. D:\ Programs, E: Storage, and F:
    image backups(4 at a time) I use Nero 5.5 as my burning utility and about once a week I drop a the most current back up onto a CD-RW. I also have a
    clean back up of HD just after format :) on a seperate CD-RW fully restorable with ATI if needed.

    I have used the same CD-RW as many as ten times useing a FULL erase with Nero.
    and have never had a write error yet. Full erase is the best way to go, over QUICK erase, as quick might leave reminants behinds and cause your burning program to then encounter errors. :eek: .

    As far as cost I use the Memorex 700 MB CD-RW's and you can get those at Wal-Mart for about 5 to 6 dollars for a 5 pack. I feel that is cheap for the use I get out of them. And when I am out and about sometimes even if I dont need them I buy a few more at that price now I have over 200 CD-RW's stored waiting to be used :D .

    Best regards,

    ~FIREDANCER~
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi FireDancer,

    In Sweden, in a web shop, you get;

    a 10-pack Memorex 700MB CD-RW 24X for SEK140 which is approximately $17.50 compared to

    a 10-pack Memorex 700MB CD-R 48X for SEK70 which is approximately $8.75

    In my local computer shop they cost a bit more, especially CD-RW.

    Prices in the U.S. are definitely lower for everything computer-ish but being a swedish resident, travelling expenses to even the nearest Wal-Mart is prohibitive ...... :D ......

    Christer
     
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    Hi Christer,

    My appologies as I did not read very close and you did say in the start of your thread
    that you are indeed in Sweden :D .

    Secondly I belive the price differance would be great as I buy mostly but not all 4X write speed disks as I really dont need any faster for what I use them for and that would create a big differance in cost as well. I do use larger write speed discs
    for larger, more compressed files but not very often.

    My previous post seems to be a bit off as I was not reading thouroughly <---- (hope I spelled that right) Anyways that would create a big differance as you kindly pointed out.

    Regards,

    ~FIREDANCER~
     
  17. 2003/09/23
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    I've been using CD-RW's as part of my backup routine every day (extra precaution). I've used Maxell, Imation and even Office Depot brand.

    After the initial formating, I've used the quick erase every day. In the 2 plus years I've been doing this I've had the CD-RW's last through as many as 150 rewrites and more.

    I've had the least problems with the Imation disks, the Office Depot disks only work in one of three burners.

    The program I've been using is Roxio Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum.
     
  18. 2003/09/23
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    FireDancer,
    no need to apologize!

    It´s just so depressing when You on the other side of the pond discuss prices ...... :mad: ......

    I focused on the brand and Memorex 700MB CD-RW are (in Sweden, that is) either 12X or 24X but the price is the same.

    The cheapest is Maxell 700MB CD-RW 4X at SEK130 = $16 for a 10-pack.
    However, I wouldn´t use 4X since my burner is capable of 8X. 12X might be satisfactory but since 24X are the same price, then I can afford the luxury ...... :cool: ......

    KevinSaul,

    Some disks show random incompatibility with certain burners and if you buy cheap you probably sacrifice quality.
    My guess is that the Office Depot disks are fairly low cost ......

    Christer
     
  19. 2003/09/23
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    Although the Office Depot disks are low cost I think it has more to do with the burner speed in this case, the two burners they don't work in are both old 4x burners whereas the one the work in is still old but it's 8x.

    Anyhow the point was that you can re-use the disks hundreds of times with no degradation, when they fail it's sudden, just like a floppy disk.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    This may be the conclusion of the posts in this thread with the addition that CD-RWs are not more prone to read-/write-errors than CD-Rs.

    Thanks all for Your input,
    Christer
     
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