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Most recent Media Creation Tools exactly the same?

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Christer, 2021/11/24.

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Check out my screen shot. It looks like the most recent Media Creation Tools are exactly the same.

    I don't remember if I've asked before (in the context of 21H1) but are they exactly the same?

    If so, how come?

    Is the "media" created by the tool different than the "media" created by previous tools?

    If so, I assume that changes have been made at Microsoft.
     

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    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I think the MCT is the same as was first released. Why would it be necessary to change its modus operandi?
    I have used it twice in W11 without problem. It worked the same in W10.
     

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I have saved all of them to my harddisk. Up to and including MediaCreationTool2004 (see attached screen shot) they were all different with different sizes and different digital signatures. I conclude that the modus operandi actually has changed from MediaCreationTool20H2 and onwards. It coincides with the change in naming the file or "version".

    Up to and including MediaCreationTool2004, there was information in this file telling the creator "something" but I don't know what. This information must be missing from MediaCreationTool20H2 and onwards and its modus operandi has changed.

    I hope that someone knows how it works and why the file name has changed but not the size and digital signature ... :confused: ... apart from the name, it is exactly the same.
     

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Also, up to and including MediaCreationTool2004, it was possible to create that particular version of the installation media (e.g. USB-stick) even after subsequent versions had been released. (You may have good reasons to roll back to a previous version.) From MediaCreationTool20H2 and onwards, I don't think that is possible. You will get the last one, no matter what. (I'm not sure, only speculating since I haven't tried.)
     
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    MrBluesDJ

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    I found a version of the Media Media tool 2004 and downloaded it, tried to use it and it gave me a message "there is a new version of this, you must download it to continue" so you're *******
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Thanks for letting me know. I'll try myself with an older version to confirm, just out of stubbornness.

    I'm currently running version 21H2 with various success. Right now, it's running 24/7 because on almost every startup, the screen freezes and I have to shut down on the power button and start again. The second time, it works fine. Can't figure it out but I still blame Microsoft for doing a driver update (graphics) without my consent.
     
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    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Are you running 21H2 with OS Build 22000.434?
    You must keep up with all the Patches as there have been some "bugs" with the new OS.
    I have found the "odd" Default I set has changed and you need to recheck and return them to what you want.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I tested and found that you're right. From version 10-0-19041-572 (20H2 and newer) the tool is the same and always creates the most recent version (currently 21H2).
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Nope, 21H2 with OS build 19044.1466.

    Microsoft has let itself loose on my computer (I simply gave up trying to get back in control) and has updated it through Windows Update and all patches have been installed.

    I have checked settings that apply to the graphics and the monitor. They are the same as pre-updates.

    According to Windows Update, the graphics driver was the most recent but a month ago, I checked at AMD and was recommended a more recent version. I downloaded and installed it. After that, I checked the Device Manager and the driver had been assigned a unique version number by Microsoft. The rethorical question is why it was not offered and installed automatically by Windows Update?

    After that update (via AMD), the screen didn't freeze on startup ... :) ... for a week or so ... :mad: ... but now it freezes more often than not. My conclusion is that something has changed, not by me but by "you-know-who".

    I have an Image of the system running version 1909, created before Microsoft started messing with the drivers and it worked "one-hundred-persent". I'm considering restoring it disconnected from the internet. Next, preventing Microsoft from installing drivers (through gpedit.msc) and then slapping version 21H2 on top of it. Not until now will I reconnect to the internet and see what happens. I can't get worse ... :confused: ... I think!

    Anywayandhow, this is a separate thread!
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    My W10 comp is running OS Build 19044.1466 and is performing OK.
    It does not comply with CPU approval for W11 so will operate until support for W10 ends.
     
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    MrBluesDJ

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    I just found a Media Creation Tool I had on my computer called MediaCreationToolx64, I tried it and it DIDN'T make me download the latest version like the other one I tried. If you can find it it works perfectly, I don't see any way to attach it to this post, if could I kinda doubt if the Admins would appreciate it anyway since it's a .exe file. If anyone wants it I'll send it to a staff member ONLY, they'll have my email address and can distribute it to anyone who wants it.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    MrBluesDJ, thanks for your post. I have all the MCT-versions stored but haven't checked all of them. I wouldn't wish to "go back" further than necessary and it worked fine with version 1909 and possibly with version 2004 (I don't remember). I guess those versions (and earlier) are "out of date" and no longer supported but out of interest - which version did you "successfully" test?
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    retiredlearner, thanks for your post. I believe that's a different problem and it originates in 2015 when still on Windows 7 (according to the user notes), assumably transferring to Windows 10.

    As you can see in my attachment, the file version is the same for 20H2, 21H1 and 21H2 but unique for 2004 (and all previous). That's why it was possible to create the corresponding version of the installation media prior to 20H2 but no longer. (Maybe MrBluesDJ has proved me wrong, let's see what happens.)

    I have an Image to restore and will hopefully be able to follow this plan from a post above:

     

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    MrBluesDJ

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    I used the MCTX64 version and made an .iso out of it, it offered to create it in different languages and also had the option for Win 10 Home, Pro and 3 or 4 versions of Win 10 and also x32 and x64 versions or both so I chose English, Pro, and both x32 and x64 versions. I'm working on my grandson's computer but waiting on a motherboard which isn't supposed to get here until Friday, after I get the motherboard's swapped out I'll try using the one I made to install Windows 10 and let you know how it worked, got several other more pressing projects in the works so will probably take a week or so before I can get back to his computer. One thing that kinda bothered me was it said to have the serial number ready to install it but I'm guessing I can activate it with my hotmail account like I always do, hopefully this version is old enough to run netplwiz and keep it from asking for a password or pin #, I'm on a desktop that no one uses except me, grandson is in the same position
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Thanks, I'll eagerly await the results!
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Thanks retiredlearner but like I mentioned above, I've got them all!

    Collecting now is a waste of space if all but the most recent version don't work.
     
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    Here's another site that has older versions of software, there's a few versions of software I prefer over the newer ones, no hidden junk like Cnet and most will run fine in compatibility mode in Win 10

    Old versions of Windows, Mac and Linux Software, Apps & Abandonware Games - Download at OldVersion.com
     

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