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Resolved Need WiFi help for my new Smart TV

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by Barry, 2018/12/31.

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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff

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    Yea, it's all a bit confusing... I found

    Source: https://www.ht.com.au/attach/files/gbgm.pdf

    This to be true... I do have a set (TP-LINK TL-WPA4226KIT AV500) of powerline adapters... changing outlets makes a big difference in speed, mine are not on the same breaker (both my office and living room are on a different breaker as the bedrooms).
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I did call Samsung, and it doesn't appear to be a problem with the TV, not that they were a great help. Last night I watched multiple Internet channels and discovered only about 40% of them had occasional buffering, so I think I'm pretty close to being where I want to be.
    As far as circuit breakers go, I admit I went a little overboard on them when I designed and built my home. I have a 100A circuit going from my main 200A box at the outside meter to a 100A panel in my garage. I filled this 100A panel with circuit breakers to handle all my in-home outlets and lights (you can never have too many kitchen outlets). My 240v circuits in my garage and all my outside equipment (wells, pressure pump, shop equipment, etc.) are serviced by the 200A panel. Other than occasional problems with wells and pressure pump, I've never had any other breaker shut off power.
    Arie, thanks for the added info on powerlines. I found it helpful.
     
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    Christer

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    Yes, it is. Plug the two units into the powerline sockets next to the equipment you want to connect and don't think too much about circuits and breakers.

    I have the fiber installation entering the apartment in the "media center". It has 5 ports that can be connected (short 0.5 m cable) to whichever of the 6 wall outlets in the rooms. The "media center" and the rooms each run on its own circuit breaker.

    I have one connection to my bedroom/work space. The outlet in that room is connected to the router with WiFi. The desktop is connected (cable) to the router. The laptop connects to the router via WiFi.

    Unit 1 of the powerline adapter is powered from the "media center" and is connected to one of the fiber inlet ports.

    In the livingroom, there is no router, the TV-box connects directly to the "media center" via the powerline adapter. The "streaming device" (HiFi) is connected to the second outlet on the powerline adapter.

    In my apartment (or anywhere else, I guess), you don't need a router unless you wish to create a network (including WiFi) or connect an IP-telephone. If I wish, I can connect my laptop (cable) to any of the wall outlets directly, without a router and also to any of the outlets on the powerline adapter.

    It works and I have empirically shown that the need for "on the same circuit breaker" is misinformation ... ;) ... !
     
  5. 2019/01/04
    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    If I choose to go with this powerline system, would you recommend I plug it directly into the wall outlet on each side or would it be better to plug it into a surge protector plugged into the outlet? The outlet under the TV is behind a chest of drawers. If I go with the TL-WPA7510 KIT, should I plug it into a surge protector sitting on top of the chest? If so, does it matter if I have it laying flat or should I prop it up so it stands vertically?
     
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    Christer

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    Directly into the wall outlet, no extension cord, no nothing inbetween!
     
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    Barry

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    My concern would be power outages out here in the country. They are more frequent than I'd like (sometimes intentional on the part of Edison when the fire danger is high). There can be power surges when the power returns. I also have a lightning arrester, but I can't guaranty there won't be any lightning surges. I have the TV plugged into the surge protector. Should I change that, also?
    If I plug the TL-WPA7510 into the outlet behind the chest of drawers, will that reduce the WiFi signal being broadcast into that room?
     
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    Christer

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    Read the manual and find on page 8:

    Plug the powerline adapter directly into a wall outlet. Do not plug the powerline adapter into a power strip, extension cord, or surge protector.

    I can't speculate if it will work if these recommendations aren't adhered to.

    How you power your TV has nothing to do with the powerline adapter.
     
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    Everything blocks the WiFi signal to some extent but will it be noticeable?
     
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    Barry

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    Christer

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    I've got a 4K TV that works at 200 Hz but the transmitted programs are still well below that resolution (1080) and frequency (24 FPS) for a normal digital broadcast or DVD. I'm not 100 % sure about the numbers but it's a hype on performance and transfer speeds and they sell a lot of TVs letting people believe that it makes a difference. If you have a TV-box connected to the ethernet and HDMI to the TV, check out the HDMI specs and be convinced that a 1 GHz port is more than enough by a wide margin.
     
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    TonyT

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    Stable, solid, 1080p streaming with audio requires only about 2-5 megabits/sec. Stereo or 5.1 audio with 1080p video requires slightly more bandwidth, maybe 3-6 megabits/sec. Unbuffered 4k streaming requires approx 18-25 megabits/sec.

    Consider that most online streaming is not 4k. Most HD streaming is 720p or 1080p. Amazon just recently added 4k streaming. But not all content is 4k. A 1080p movie or tv show cannot be bumped up to 4k by the content provider. If the content was encoded to 720p it cannot be changed to 1080p or 4k. And a 4k TV cannot render 1080p content at 4k, that TV is backward compatible to display lower quality content.

    The key here is having a constant stable connection. Wifi connections are not constant like wired connections are. Thus, if use powerline adapters and get a stable 25 megabits/sec throughput you'll have more than enough bandwidth for media streaming to the TV. The adapters will never get the max (1000 or 2000 megabits/sec) that they are advertised as or capable of, but they will provide much more than is needed for what you want.

    If you get a stable 25 megabits connection to the TV, and still get buffering, then the problem will be your router, or more likely, your Internet provider.

    And consider getting a generator to seamlessly retain power. I used to have only well water and it really made life horrible during power outages.
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks for your input. I know the stated maximums are exaggerated, but I can't see how spending an extra $6 for the faster connection can hurt, even if it is to help future-proof my system.
     
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    Christer

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    Sorry but I can't help wondering why you ask a question if you already know the answer?
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I just want to know if anyone knows of any problems with this particular product before I make the purchase, but the reviews seem to be positive.
     
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    TonyT

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    You will only benefit from 2 gigabit/sec adapters IF the other devices on your network have 2 gb/sec adapters. If the TV has a 1 gb/sec adapter then it can only send & receive at 1 gb/sec.

    My guess is that it will be years until new TVs, set top boxes, media systems, etc. will have higher than 1 gb/sec adapters because rates that high are not necessary for HD video.
     
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    Barry

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    I contacted Samsung, and I was informed this UHD TV can receive at up to 3GB/sec. I had them run a WiFi speed test to get a baseline before installing the TL-PA9020P-KIT powerline I ordered. I'll run another speed test after installing it. I'll then put both sending and receiving adapters on the same breaker and then run another speed test to see if there is a difference. I'll report back the results.
     
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    Christer

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    Just remember that a big portion of the measurement will be on the delivery from the providing server but we're awaiting the results of the jury!
     
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    Barry

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    Since my TV is only getting between 5 & 7 Mbps at this time, whatever I get will be more than appreciated. I get 12 Mbps on my wired computer, so gigabytes are merely a dream. I just want to improve my speed as much as possible. I have the fastest internet offered by my provider. They call it a 4G-2X which gives a 12Mbps speed. It's sent from a radio tower. There is no cable out here in the country, and the only other option would be satellite.
    I must admit I'm a bit confused about terminology. I don't believe a 4G or 5G network offers gigabytes in speed.
     
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    Christer

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    Like I said in a previous post, the need for speed is hyped up. In my previous apartment, I had 100/100 Mbps which was increased to 1000/1000 Mbps. (Not my choice but the "housing society" made the decision.) I'll not make you guess if I noticed a difference, I didn't. Possibly on rare occasions when downloading a large file from e.g. Microsoft but the providing server limits the speed when under high demands.

    In my new apartment, I hade the choice of different providers and bandwidth, from 10/10 Mbps to 500/500 Mbps. I chose 100/100 Mbps because it's the "sweet spot" in terms of performance vs. cost and it's more than enough for a normal household. With a bunch of teenagers streaming games you might benefit from higher bandwidth, somewhat higher, not ridiculously higher. Under these circumstances, a 500 Mbps port is more than enough but today, they're more often 1 Gbps and higher. Reading tests and focusing on stabilty is more important.

    Personally, I'd have a 1 Gbps device and a beer rather than a 2 Gbps device ... ;) ... !
     

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