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Why You Should Stop Using “Check for updates” in Windows 10

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Arie, 2018/12/14.

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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    In a recent blog post Microsoft “admitted” that it is once again using unwitting users as guinea pigs for testing its upcoming monthly updates.


    As stated in the blog post: “We also release optional updates in the third and fourth weeks of the month, respectively known as “C” and “D” releases. These are preview releases, primarily for commercial customers and advanced users “seeking” updates. These updates have only non-security fixes. The intent of these releases is to provide visibility into, and enable testing of, the non-security fixes that will be included in the next Update Tuesday release. Advanced users can access the “C” and “D” releases by navigating to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update and clicking the “Check for updates” box. The “D” release has proven popular for those “seeking” to validate the non-security content of the next “B” release.”


    Microsoft just “assumes” that everyone who does an update check is an advanced user who is willing to test preview releases of upcoming updates. Note that no additional warnings are shown to users.


    My suggestion to you is to stop using the “Check for updates” function if you used to do this, and instead just rely on Windows update to get you the released versions of the updates automatically.


    I personally also suggest you to switch of receiving driver updates from Windows Update and checking the manufacturer’s website manually for updates instead. You can do this with a small change in the Windows registry:


    Start > Run and type in regedit (press OK). Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\.

    Right-click the Windows key, select New > Key. Name this key WindowsUpdate.

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    Right-click this key and choose New > DWORD (32-bit) Value.

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    Name this value ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate (press Enter to confirm), double click this entry and change the value from 0 to 1 and you're all set.

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    One other tip I can give you: If there's no problem or no new functions you "need to have", there's nothing wrong with not updating your drivers.....
     
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    Interesting post. In the past, I have "checked for updates" periodically and have noted that some of the updates appeared to have little or no bearing on my situation. I plan to stop doing that now. I did check for updates a couple of days ago on my two W10 Pro desktops and found a couple of updates plus the 1809 Upgrade pending. The machines had checked for updates within a day or so of my manual check so I'm curious as to whether my manual check prompted the 1809 availability. I did go ahead with the 1809 upgrade and have noted no problems other than the need to change screen resolution on one of the monitors on one of the units.
    Appreciate this note. I have generally followed this guideline but often wondered if it was a safe way to proceed.

    Thanks Arie - I learn something new on this site every day.
     

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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I wonder is that is not just another poorly written blog lacking any fact checking? I think it is (who is going to fact check a MS VP?).

    There is nothing in the actual blog that defines what an "advanced user" is. I don't believe Microsoft is assuming you must be an advanced user if you manually check for updates.

    Instead, note that blog is found under "Windows Insider Program > Windows 10 Tips > Mixed Reality".

    And if you do follow the blogger's link, Windows approach to quality, we see it is all about Windows Insiders - people who would be considered "advanced users" and who have already agreed to act, more or less, as beta testers for such releases.

    Since it is not uncommon for a "normal" user's computer to be off-line or turned off for a couple weeks (vacation, illness, business trip, etc.), it is not uncommon to manually check for updates when it comes back on line. In fact, it is a widely accepted first troubleshooting step to make sure the OS is fully updated. And I see no reason to deviate from that troubleshooting process.

    So I personally am not going to change my own personal procedures, nor am I going to stop recommending users of all skillsets from manually checking for updates.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    Please note it is not "just a blog", it an official Microsoft blog and the post was written by Michael Fortin / Corporate Vice President, Windows
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Right. I noted it was written by a VP - and therefore, likely not bounced off fact checkers or a technical editor before posting.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    The VP knows what he's talking about... or at least he should. I run my own "in house" WSUS server and always decline the "Preview" updates...
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am not saying he doesn't.

    What I am saying is the blog article should have explained exactly what he meant by "advanced user". And since that was posted in the "Windows Insider" section, the blog article should have made clear whether these updates affect only "advanced" users in the "Windows Insider Program", or if it affects all users.
     
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    Christer

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    I do the same on Windows 7. Should I accept, they'll get installed and I view nothing, neither pre nor post. I could say that it's part of my policy to not install any optional updates unless I know that I need a specific one.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    If you read the article you can only come to 1 conclusion: Microsoft (wrongly) assumes that every user who uses the “Check for updates" box is an advanced user.
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    :( I am not trying to argue with you Arie.

    Yes, if you read the article, that is the conclusion you might come to. And that's the problem!

    I am just saying the article should have made it perfectly clear - without having to "assume" anything - (1) what an advanced user is and (2) if it applies to Windows Insiders or everyone.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    Well, for me it is quite clear:

    There's no ambiguity here... As Windows doesn't know if a user is "Advanced" or not, when you navigate to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update and click the “Check for updates” box you (the user) imply that you are, and you could be receiving the “C” and “D” releases...
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    It knows if you are a Windows Insider or not. And that is my point.

    Since it is quite clear to you, please explain what Microsoft means when they say "advanced user".

    It seems you are the one making the assumption to me. I don't see where it takes being an advanced user to check for updates since that is a common task for just about any program any user might use on their computers.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    It's all in the blog post...
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Okay, Arie. If you feel that blog post adequately explains what an "advanced user" is, and if you feel the fact the author posting his blog in the Windows Insider section and cites another Windows Insider blog article totally explains everything - to include how this change WILL affect every "normal user" to the point you recommend all "normal users" need to go digging around inside and making changes in the Registry, then I guess we are at an impasse.

    Me? Since Windows Update problems are a much much smaller problem affecting much fewer people than many bashers, including many in the IT press and those who automatically parrot them, want us to believe, and because keeping our systems current has a proven history of being one of the best steps "normal users" can take to keep their systems secure, and running smoothly, I will continue to recommend normal users stick with the defaults - at least until they become smarter and more knowledgeable about the inner workings of the Windows OS than the developers at Microsoft. And until they are disciplined enough to know they need to backup their data, and the Registry, before making changes to it.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    I think you are mistaken. I'm not pointing to any blog, except the official Microsoft blog. I'm not pointing to any 3rd party blogs and haven't taken into consideration what has been posted in other places. I read the official Microsoft blog post by Windows VP Michael Fortin, and my commends are solely based on what I read in that blog post.
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    :(

    I am not mistaken. And I never said anything about any 3rd party blog so I have no clue where you got that from.

    Please look at what you posted. Look in the black banner bar at top and you will see it is posted under the Windows Insider section.

    Then look where that VP said,
    Follow his link and you will see it too is in the Windows Insider section.

    Windows Insiders are NOT normal users. Instead, they are people who consider themselves advanced and have voluntarily opted in to get preview versions of features and updates before they are released to the general public or "normal" user.

    You may be 100% right! But I am not going to assume, one way or the other.

    What I am saying is he needs to define exactly what an advanced user is, and exactly who this affects since his blogs are clearly posted in the Windows Insider section and those of us in the Windows Insider program have installed (by our own choice) preview versions Windows 10.
     
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    Arie

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    Yea, not 3rd party, but one Windows Insider blog citing another...

    Anyway, I have two points to make:
    • I've read reports that .NET preview updates where distributed to unwitting participants last month. I haven't seen any 'proof' of this with my own eyes, but so far I think the reporting has been credible.
    • Regarding the Windows Insider program, the blog states that this program will not be used to "flight pre-release security fixes for the upcoming “B” release"
    And yes, I wouldn't mind if these updates where tested on Windows Insider participants (with clear communication so they know what they are testing).
     
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    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    I'm just going to leave these items here:

    Now Windows 10 Has C, B, and D Updates. What is Microsoft Smoking?

    If Microsoft keeps releasing broken Windows Updates despite if they affect a large of amount of user's or not then it might be worth using this tool to manage Windows Updates on Windows 10, Update Manager for Windows wumgr Review.
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I think it is important to note that this is how things go viral and get blown way out of proportion - like the number of users affected by WU getting blown way out of proportion leading many to repeat it and repeat it, until a tiny snowball turns into an avalanche. That link just parrots that same unclear VP's Windows Insiders blog. No doubts more and more will repeat it again and again.

    A drunk might hop the curb and slam into my front door. We all know this has happened before. But does it mean you should never stand on your front porch?

    It is possible you might get trapped in a burning car because you cannot get your seatbelt unfastened. That has happened. But does that mean everyone should stop wearing their seatbelts?

    I am not afraid of the developers at Microsoft. I honestly believe they are top notch. It is the marketing weenies and executive policy decisions that scare me and give Windows a bad rap. I think we should hold off making judgement to see how this new policy pans out.
     
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    Arie, using your suggestion, on an update is further tested and proved safe, what procedure do I use to update that Windows update..
     

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