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Resolved Anyone Ever Use NAS4Free?

Discussion in 'Other PC Software' started by James Martin, 2014/03/18.

  1. 2014/03/18
    James Martin

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    I had some thoughts about turning my old XP computer into a file server / network attached storage (NAS) type of thing. Many folks like using a program called FreeNAS, but my old machine has only 1GB of RAM, and I think FreeNAS requires at least 4GB to function smoothly.

    NAS4Free is more suited for older, less powerful machines from what I've read, and I thought about giving it a spin in Live Mode where it boots from a USB stick.

    This is all new territory for me, so all comments are welcome.

    For what it's worth, my old motherboard is an MSI MS-6738.
     
  2. 2014/03/19
    James Martin

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    Ah, well, scratch that.

    The motherboard supports booting from USB, but the computer booted from the HD instead - in spite of me changing the boot order.

    I downloaded the Live CD iso version and burned it to disk instead. The drivers loaded OK, but when I chose to run the program from the menu, I got some kind of message saying the board doesn't support long boot. (whatever that means) Next, I was given a list of DOS commands, but DOS is not one of my strong points, so I aborted.
     

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  4. 2014/03/19
    TonyT

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    There should be an F key to load the bios boot menu. Use that and select USB.
     
  5. 2014/03/20
    James Martin

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    I think my problem may have been because I had inserted the PNY USB drive into a slot on a USB card instead of a native slot on the motherboard. Nevertheless, I had to set the boot order to USB-harddrive before the system would boot from the PNY. :)confused:) After some final configuring of NAS4free on XP, I opened a web page in Windows 7 and typed in the proper URL to bring up the NAS4free sign-in page.

    It appears the best way to go (and for faster boot times) is to install the server software on the harddrive, but according to the tutorial, that would wipe out the entire drive - including three extra partitions.

    This is all new territory for me, so I am not sure if want use NAS4free, or disable XP so that it can't connect to the web. My main desire was to eliminate the extra monitor, keyboard & mouse from the old machine so I could have more desk space in my home office - and yet still have access to the XP computer.
     
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  6. 2014/03/21
    TonyT

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    If all you want is access to the XP machine, then use Remote Desktop. You won't need a monitor on the XP machine.
     
  7. 2014/03/22
    James Martin

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    Well, I finally accomplished my (partial) goal of creating a home server (of sorts). The tutorial was very helpful, but it left out a bit or two of vital info, so I had to think my way through it.

    The old MSI board is too slow to boot from a USB drive, so I used the new Dell for experimental purposes instead. I installed NSA4free from a CD onto the USB drive, and then after some minor configuration of the server software, I opened a web page to the proper address and finished up from there.

    I now have a mini-server with two mapped drives showing in my network to play with for the time being.

    Is it possible to access a home network server from the repair menu? I had planned to store image backups on a network harddrive in case Windows 7 corruption left my computer unbootable.


    I had planned to install a KVM switch at one time, but I could not find one that could plug into the Dell's USB and the MSI's PS2 ports.
     
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  8. 2014/03/22
    TonyT

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    If use remote desktop you don't need a kvm switch.
     
  9. 2014/03/23
    James Martin

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    Is this unusual?

    The USB drive is almost brand new, but boot times are painfully slow considering how small and lightweight the NAS4free OS is (24MB - I think).



    As for the Windows Remote Desktop option, I'll need to disable XP from connecting to the web, soon, but I haven't quite figured that part out yet. My AT&T Netgear 7550 modem/router has an Advanced / Connection Configuration page with a Configure Static DHCP Reservation portal. Inside that portal you can edit:

    1. Host Name
    2. IP Address
    3. Mac Address

    Would changing any of the above (except for the Windows 7 machine's settings) block XP from connecting to the web?
     
  10. 2014/03/24
    TonyT

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    No.

    No need to disable XP Internet access. Just don't connect! The comp can be connected to the LAN and also have Internet capability. It won't establish an Internet connection until you execute some software that uses the Internet, such as updates, Web browser, etc.

    Turn off Windows auto update and disable its service. Configure adobe products to not auto update or uninstall them. Configure java to never auto update too.

    Your comp cannot become infected with anything until you load software that uses the Internet.
     
  11. 2014/03/28
    James Martin

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    Wow, this server business is more involved than I thought. I really don't have the proper education to understand even the least involved basics of setting up groups and users - at least I can't seem to duplicate what I did earlier.

    I can follow Simon's steps on the first page (except that I am using USB drives instead of harddrives), but after I set up a public group and a user or two, in Advanced: File Manager; my folder hierarchy is:

    DIRECTORY: Home > Storage

    Simon's set up is:

    [admin] Directory: /mnt/Storage
     
  12. 2014/03/31
    James Martin

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    Fixed.

    My mistake was using the wrong credentials (User credentials) to sign-in to the "Advanced: File Manager" folder tree. You are supposed to use the same administrative credentials to enter the administrator's folder tree that you use to sign-in to the NAS4Free GUI with.

    You can sign-in to the folder tree with User credentials, but you can't manage the root folders from there.

    If any of you want to try this own your own, you can install Nas4Free on a virtual machine (I used Oracle's VirtualBox) for practice. To make things work, I installed FreeBSD on a virtual drive, and then I installed NAS4Free from a CD. You'll need to set the slider to about a gig of RAM, and make the virtual HD at least 2 GB in size. Once you get the hang of things, maybe you could turn an old PC into a home-based server. I haven't made up my mind about the old XP machine just yet, but at least I think I can make a go of, now, if I decide to make a server out of it.

    Installing and Configuring NAS4Free on a Windows Network

    Simon's tutorial is the best on the web that I've seen yet. Just take your time, and if you have any questions, Simon is more than willing to assist if I can't help any.
     
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  13. 2014/03/31
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    I've had 2 linux servers in my office for years. The first one I setup for my business database in 2001, LAN only. Has been running since, only reboots when have a power outage. The other is a WWW server for testing and a few live sites. Rather than NAS I use FTP & SSH.

    Put your NAS on the old XP box. You won't regret it. When setting up networking be sure to give it a static LAN IP address, that will make it more stable and easier to t-shoot.
     
  14. 2014/03/31
    James Martin

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    There is a setting to bypass DHCP on NAS4Free, is that what you are referring to?

    In addition, the default file format in NAS4Free is UFS. Some have said (in random Google searches) that ZFS is less prone to file corruption, and it had me wondering if I should consider the latter.
     
  15. 2014/04/01
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    Not sure about nas4free settings, never used it. But I've installed many different linux distros and all during networking setup giave the opportunity to choose between using dhcp & static addressing. I always use static IPs for servers.

    See what's available when bypassing dhcp. You'll have to enter certain info such as:
    IP address: 192.168.x
    Gateway: 192.168.x.x
    DNS: same as gateway

    Gateway IP is same as the IP of your router. If the router is 192.168.1.1 then give the server an IP of 192.168.1.2.
     
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    James Martin

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    1. Do you want to use DHCP for the interface: (Yes / No) No
    2. Enter new LAN IPv4 address: 192.168.1.250 (default address, but can be changed – this must be the static address you were referring to, or it's the servers private LAN address)
    3. Enter new LAN subnet mask. Subnet masks are entered as bit counts (as in CIDR notation): (24 is default)
    4. Enter IPv4 gateway:
    5. Enter DNS IPv4 address:
    6. Do you want to configure IPv6 for this interface? (Yes/No) No

    I have everything set to default, or left blank, except that I changed choice number 2 to something else. If I fill in choices numbered 4 & 5, I assume the server can be accessed from the web? Simon's blog has a tutorial about configuring NAS4Free for web access, but he uses the GUI for that...

     
  17. 2014/04/02
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    Settings to use are bolded:

    1. Do you want to use DHCP for the interface: (Yes / No) No
    2. Enter new LAN IPv4 address: 192.168.1.250 (default address, but can be changed – this must be the static address you were referring to, or it's the servers private LAN address)
    3. Enter new LAN subnet mask. Subnet masks are entered as bit counts (as in CIDR notation): (24 is default) 255.255.255.0
    4. Enter IPv4 gateway: 192.168.1.1 (same IP as your router)
    5. Enter DNS IPv4 address: 192.168.1.1 (same IP as your router)
    6. Do you want to configure IPv6 for this interface? (Yes/No) No

    Note: not all routers use 192.168.1.x. Some use 192.168.0.x.

    If your router is 192.168.0.x then use 192.168.0.x in the above configs.
     
  18. 2014/04/02
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    Everything seems to be working OK, although I can access the virtual server from Windows 7 or XP whether I enter gateway / DNS settings or not. Seems odd that a NAS4Free box can be seen in the network without these two extra settings.

    LAN subnet mask was already defaulted to 255.255.255.0, so I didn't have to change that.
     
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  19. 2014/04/03
    TonyT

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    Computers won't have any difficulty accessing the virtual server because it will grab the gateway & dns IPs from the router. The win7 & XP computers see the nas as just another device on the existing network. The nas broadcasts itself and the computers regularly scan the network for devices.

    My advice to use static addressing is mainly if you take the plunge & install the server on the old computer.
     
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    James Martin

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    Thanks!
     

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