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Windows 7 installation time explains its death

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by IvanH, 2013/01/22.

  1. 2013/01/22
    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    How much time is needed to complete a Windows 7 clean and complete installation as of today?

    My experience of yesterday:
    Mac Mini: 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5, 4 GB 1600 MHz RAM
    Installation of Windows 7 Home Premium x64 ..................... 1 hour
    Download updates prior to Service Pack 1 ..........................14 hours
    (from ADSL2+ 8 Mbps download, but actual download speed from Windows Update was only 250-750 kbps (peak 500 KB)!)
    Installation of Windows 7 SP1 after download .......................1/2 hour
    Continuous download from Windows Update ........................ 3 hours
    Download and install Security Essential + updates ................ 1 hour
    Total Time needed to put Windows 7 up and up to date...........19.5 hours!!!

    If this is a computer service @$70/hour, it'll take $1,365!

    I never want to do it again!
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Hi IvanH. You could have just installed Windows 7 SP1 after Windows 7 was installed and skipped installing the updates before SP1. That would have saved you a good amount of time. Alternatively you could have used a Windows 7 DVD with SP1 already installed so you wouldn't have to worry about installing SP1.

    When I have done a clean install of Windows 7 with SP1 already included it takes about an hour for Window 7 to install. Then the 100+ Windows Updates that get installed take about 4 hours depending on the Internet speed and the computer itself.
     

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    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Most computer repair shops will just reinstall the OS and call you to come and get it. It is your problem to get all the updates and what ever other programs you want. I don't have a shop, but do stuff for friends and neighbors and when they get the machine back, they have no updates to get and I also install the AV of their choice if it is FREE and a couple of malware/spyware programs and the Adobe stuff. I do JAVA also and then disable it. Usually takes me about 4 or 5 hours and I am on 8.0 DSL.
    While I am doing that, I am on my PC doing what I want to do.
     
  5. 2013/01/23
    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Evan, I know all that in theory but in reality I just had all original Windows 7 DVDs without SP1 and couldn't find it from Microsoft site for download, so step-by-step was the only way. (If Microsoft has SP2, it would be a better deal.) The Internet, on ADSL2+, in theory, was a bit faster than 13.5 Mbps and on real test, at least 8 Mbps from Speedtest.net, but from Windows Update, it was as slow as 70-500 Kbps only. The Computer was fine; it took only <20% on 2 CPUs out of 4, and memory used only 700 MB. It seemed that Microsoft had cut down the available download servers for Windows 7.

    Mr Bill, you're right but it's still annoying to peek on the installation from time to time and see if it's waiting me to hit a button, especially for Restart and Update. The problem was: I was only doing it occasionally, or perhaps the last time, so I didn't bother to automate the installation like a mass-production as the computer shops do.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff

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    Wow... nothing more simple then a Google search would point you to it. Very first result!

    Anyway, I did a quick run:

    Install Windows 7 Home Basic (x86) in a VM (2 cpu's, 2048 MB RAM, 25 GB SATA HD).

    • Windows 7 installed in 7:15
    • You have to choose Ask me later when asked Help protect your computer and improve Windows automatically
    • Downloaded SP1 (537.8 MB for 32-bit): 18 minutes (500 KB/s)
    • Installing SP1: 11m
    • WU Update: 71 important updates, 144 MB, 18m
    • Next WU: 39 optional updates, 48-53 MB, 5m
    So all-in all 59 minutes!

    My Internet connection is only 5 Mbps download.
     
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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff

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    Sorry, but that's nonsense.
     
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    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    How do you explain the slow download while the ADSL2+ downstream has been 11+ Mbps?
     
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    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Big difference between Windows 7 Basic and Windows 7 Home Premium? Or the sluggish TPG's problem? Which ISP are you using?
     
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    Arie

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    Arie,
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    Arie

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    No difference between the two. I guess Mac's virtual machine solution s@cks. Microsoft's also does, I use Oracle Vbox.

    I'm in Malta, so my ISP's name is irrelevant.
     
  12. 2013/01/23
    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    The Virtual Machine on Mac was VMware Fusion 4.1.4. Once downloaded, the installation took reasonable time for each component, e.g. SP1 and each updates. ADSL2+ download 8+ Mbps and WiFi was 802.11n Dual Band. The real bottleneck was slow and non-responsive downloads at Windows Update. Each installation after download was fast. (Windows Experience Index: CPU rate 6.5, RAM 4.5, hard disk 6.5). The Restarts and shutdowns were normal speed for Intel i5. So, if you're so sure about Windows download server performance, then I'd believe it's the ISP's problem.
    Supplemental info: After installing Windows 7 x64 Home Premium with all updates as of yesterday, I also use Windows Easy Transfer (instead of Fusion Migration Assistant) to migrate the user account and needed files (67 GB) which was smooth and fast via USB.
     
  13. 2013/01/23
    TonyT

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    Not likely that MS servers had anything to do with the slow downloads, probably your ISP. Every Tuesday MS releases new updates. It's called "Patch Tuesday ". Your local WAN from the ISP was probably hit with thousands of computers auto-updating all day Tuesday.

    I install Win 7 from a USB thumb drive, it takes about 5-8 min depending upon my selections.
     
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    IvanH

    IvanH Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Reasonable.
     
  15. 2013/01/23
    Arie

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    I respectfully disagree :D

    Installing Windows 7 on my system took just 7 minutes, installing SP1 took 11 minutes, so that's 80% faster. You may have a disk bottleneck (in your VM).

    My virtual drive is set as a SATA controller, running in AHCI mode and using the host I/O cache.

    My host is running Win8 x64 with an 'ancient' Core i7 920.
     
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