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Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by Chris, 2012/10/04.

  1. 2012/10/19
    Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Not really, All I wanted was a cheap, better then the 3 year old Athlon 64 X2 I have. This 3 year old computer with Vista, with a Athlon 64 X2 6000+ is rated 4 times faster.

    Athlon 64 X2 - 6525
    AMD A4 - 1684

    Couldn't imagine that one sold 3 years later would be so much slower. Seems like they went way backwards. Even tho this is a low end, it would seem like 3 years later, a lower end should be not as bad as this.

    I haven't opened it up yet, may take it back. Can't come close to the deal I got at Frys tho.
    A Motherboard, CPU (APU), 8GB of RAM and an 60GB SSD Hard drive and brackets for $191. This is, of course is before the rebates on two of the items.

    Chris.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Do you want to stick with that AMD APU or are you considering returning the APU and mobo in exchange for an AM3 socket mobo and CPU?
     

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    Chris

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    I'll think about it for the day. I was waiting for the Friday sale to come out at Frys to see if they had a good sale.

    I have a hard time realizing that they came out with a AM2 in 2006. Then an AM2+, then a AM3, then an AM3+ and FM1 and the FM1 is way slower then the AM2 from 2006. The way faster AM2 isn't even a PLUS.

    I thought about just getting a am2 board and using the CPU I have, but then I need to buy more DDR2 since it came with 4x512.

    I didn't want to go backwards, at least get something as good. The original one is called "6000+ ". I thought they got that by, 3GHZ x 2 (dual core) = "6000+." The new one I just got is a "A4 3300."

    Without thinking I just assumed a 3300 dual core would be = to a "6600." I saw the 2.5GHz vs. the 3.0GHz but assumed since it was 5 years later technology, and it's not just clock speed anymore, it would be faster. Like I said, I didn't think about it. Looking back now I should of thought about it more. Who would think a CPU bought 5 years later would be backwards?
    Still can't believe a system with DDR2 is so much faster then a system with DDR3 made 5 years later.

    On the positive side, I know the one I just got will be way faster then what I have, especially with the SSD drive.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    The APU that you got is the bottleneck of the system. The DDR3 RAM is faster than DDR2 and combined with your SSD drive you will see a performance improvement in harddrive transfer speeds and memory calculations. But that APU is on the very low end side.

    Regardless if the CPU is newer than the one you have, a rule of thumb I go by is I make sure that the CPU has a faster frequency and has more cores than the one it is replacing.

    What motherboard did you buy? Maybe you can keep the mobo you bought and I can help you find a high end socket FM1 APU for it. Otherwise IMO getting a socket AM3/AM3+ mobo and CPU combo is the way to go. The high end Athlon II X4/Phenom II X4 perform way better than the APU's.
     
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    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Sounds like a plan. One problem is I will have to buy a video card. The goal on this system is to get it up and running as cheap as I can.

    I do have a video card, for sure it's not a HD. It says GFORCE 6150 on the side case sticker, but "3DFR7300LEE" on the sticker on the side of the card. I see the ribbon is torn up. Don't know if I can get another one.
    If I had a better board, maybe the onboard would be better then an old Gforce? Reviews on it say the fan is louder then any on the system.

    Chris.

    P.S. The new board is a Gigabyte A55M-DS2
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Based on the CPU support list for the mobo you can install an AMD A8-3870K APU Processor.

    That GPU is many years old and only supports up to DirectX 9.0. I would not use that NVIDIA Geforce video card at all. If you want a cheap video card that will give you good performance take a look at this one, MSI Radeon HD 6450 2GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 Low Profile Video Card.
     
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    MrBill

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    Before you buy another MOBO, post on here what you are looking at for our opinion.
     
  9. 2012/10/20
    Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Starting to think I should just get this one up and running.

    Due to car problems, this will be a hassle to take back. The reviews on this board/cpu aren't that bad.

    Here is what I'll be replacing what I have now.

    CPU;
    I'm now using an Athlon 2400+ running at 1.9GHz
    Replacing with an A4 3300 running at 2.5GHz

    I have 1.5GB of DDR Ram
    Replacing with 8GB of DDR3

    MB running at 266MHz Bus
    Replacing with 1000MHz Bus

    40GB and 60GB IDE Harddrive
    Replacing with 60GB SSD and 2x 320GB SATA Harddrives

    Now using Windows XP
    Will be using Windows 7 Premium 64 bit

    I think if I put this system together, I'd have a big improvement. Don't play games, but I even saw a review where a person used this board and processor to play games and reviewed it worked very good.

    I can say I messed up by not getting a AM3+ board, but maybe this upgrade won't be that bad for a while?

    The computer I'm trying to get up, nobody could get it fixed. If I use the case, and friends come over and "the computer" is working, I look pretty good. :) Plus have a better home computer. I mean, come on, I'm still using IDE!!

    Chris.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    I think everything on the system looks fine with what it is replacing EXCEPT the APU.

    While that APU is an improvement over the old Athlon 2400+ you would be better off getting the APU that I described above in my last post which is the A8-3870K. That way you won't have to upgrade that system for a long time and you will get solid performance.

    If you are going to be satisfied with using the A4 3300 then thats fine, but my fear is that I just think you will be disappointed with how that APU performs once you get the machine up and running.
     
  11. 2012/10/20
    Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I understand what your saying. What about these?

    "The AMD A4-3300 and A4-3400 desktop APUs each combine two x86 CPU cores with 160 Radeon cores, enabling powerful DirectX 11-capable discrete level graphics and dedicated HD video processing on a single chip. These dualcore APUs enable responsive and energy-efficient performance for everyday PC productivity and multitasking, as well as an amazing gaming experience. "

    User Reivew;
    Pros: I intended to purchase this APU as something to get me by while I save up for a better graphics card, and honestly it has exceeded my expectations. On games such as League of Legends and Starcraft 2, while on mid-high settings, I get between 45-60 FPS. Plays many video formats without issue, runs Netflix well. Had her for around 8 months and she's be treating me great.

    Another;
    Pros: Running DDO on an AMD 3200+ with Radeon 9200 Pro and then moving to this is an insane increase in performance. Windows Rating on the video was a 5.9 and we can play with all the high features turned on in graphics. Granted we play older games like EQ, EQ2, DAoC. This hammer of a machine does the job on the nail every time.

    Pros: The price to performance ratio of this chip is phenomenal. I have this A4 chip paired with 4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM and a ASRock FM1 microATX board in a HTPC. I do 720p gaming on occasion (hooked up to TV) and run Dirt3 at 25 FPS, Diablo 3 at 25-30 FPS and most DX9 based Steam games around 30 FPS. TF2 runs great, right around 30 FPS. It runs Blu-Ray titles flawlessly and 1080p videos with no problems.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Well if you think that chip is powerful enough to power the system that you are building then I would say go for it.

    Getting a quad core APU will make that system more future proof since dual core's are becoming a bit outdated now but if you want a low end dual core APU that will be enough to get by then just use the A4 3300.

    I personally wouldn't use anything less than a quad core APU/CPU but thats just me.
     
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    Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    What I can do is get this up now and look for a good deal on the A8 3850 later.
    Can't believe they have a 120GB SSD drive this week for a little more then what I paid for my 60GB last week. :0
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Ok, sounds good. So would you consider this thread resolved or do you have any other questions?
     
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    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I'll start right now, don't close yet.

    I sure messed up on getting this. The A3850 is rated 28% slower then the i3. That is one of the best in the line. That means mine is probable worse then the Pentium dual core Motherboard/CPU special at $65.

    Hope the MB holes line up. I'll post back.

    Chris.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Ok, keep me posted on the outcome.
     
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    The 3 power wires on the case are, Red, Blue and Yellow. Anyone familiar with these colors?

    Chris.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Take a look here, Connect The System Panel Cables.

    Take a look at the motherboard and case manuals which will tell you where each of those case wires go.
     
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    Chris

    Chris Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Take a look at the motherboard and case manuals which will tell you where each of those case wires go.[/QUOTE]
    I can find out what the motherboard is but the case does not have a manual. I have everything but not a case manual.

    In the pics, it has the case wires each with a plug. Mine is the whole thing together.

    Chris.
     
  21. 2012/10/22
    Chris

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    I think everything hooks right up except the case power. Here is what I found out. The connector plug looks like this;
    X=no hole, BK=Black, BL=Blue, R=Red, Y=Yellow

    x *Bk*R *BL *BK

    * * * *BK *Y


    The motherboard header looks like this.
    X=no pin.

    (message
    pwer/sleep)(pwrswch)
    msg+ msg pw+ pw- xx speak+ spek-
    * * * * x x * * * *
    * * * * * * x * * *
    hd+ hd- res- res+ ci- ci+ x pwr+ pwr-
    (hd activity(powerswh)Chasis intrusion (power LED)
    led) header)

    Had everything lined up good but after I "Submit Reply" changes. Sorry.
     

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