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Discussion in 'General Internet' started by leushino, 2011/07/26.

  1. 2011/07/26
    leushino

    leushino Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Would someone explain to me the rationale behind the blank start page... please? When we go online... we must have some destination in mind. It seems to me that making a blank page the start page is counter-productive since you're still going to have to move from that towards something else. So... why not make that something else your start page? And if you argue that you do not always want to go to that particular start page... it still beats going to a blank since you can still move off of that start page with a single click to wherever you choose to go. Either way... the blank page idea of starting is confusing to me. I'm all ears for those who would like to explain it to me.
     
  2. 2011/07/26
    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am with you 100%. But I guess to each his own. Some say it loads pretty fast. Who cares? There ain't nothing there for me to see. :)
     

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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni

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    Maybe its a question of preferences. I prefer my home page to be blank so that I can decide where I want to go at that time.
     
  5. 2011/07/26
    leushino

    leushino Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Okay... but it's still somewhat illogical in that you still have to click and always will have to click in order to see something so why not at least make that first click worthwhile? Then... if you don't want to see that start page... make your second click to wherever you wish to go. In truth... it simply seems like a waste of time. Mind you... this is only an opinion. I raised the point to see if there was a logical and reasonable explanation. I haven't heard one yet from any site on which I've asked the question. It would make more sense to make Google or Bing or some search engine... a news portal such as MSN or Yahoo or AOL... really... anything but a nothing page. It's simply illogical.
     
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  6. 2011/07/27
    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff

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    Without loading an Internet-based page your browser will open faster....

    I don't have a blank page, but rather a local .html file which contains 90% of links I use on a regular basis, including search boxes.
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Here's LOGICAL examples of why a blank home page may be used (besides the reasons given above):

    Many business networks use Web applications, such as content mgmt systems, database applications, etc. These computers may or may not have Internet access, but the browser is used to access the local network Web applications. The Favorites Bar or Bookmarks Toolbar can have shortcuts to specific applications. The user can then decide which application to use, rather than load a certain application page every time.

    Some networks don't have Internet access at all. But IE may be the default application for viewing certain file types, and one could open IE and not have to wait 8 seconds for the "page cannot be displayed" response. Prior to XP, IE was the default viewer for jpg images. There are still a good percentage of businesses running Windows 2000.

    The browser is NOT just for Internet use. It can be used for a lot more, but most people don't realize that or don't use it for anything else but Internet. It can be used for e-books in HTML format, documentation in HTML format, help systems in HTML format, etc.

    Also, one can load multiple instances of a browser (new windows, not tabs). One may wish to open a new window and paste a URL into the address bar, but some sites, especially database driven sites or sites with extensive javascripts, can make the browser unusable until the page loads fully. One must then wait a few seconds for the browser. You can witness this at many Microsoft Websites. The browser starts loading the page but nothing can be clicked on until the inefficient javascripts are fully loaded.

    Couple all of this with newer Internet Security programs that use browser plugins or Safe Site monitoring and malicious script detection and the browser begins to run at Windows 98 speeds!

    re Logic:

    Now, besides all of what I wrote above, logic is not static. Logic is not axiomatic. Logic is a matter of viewpoint. What is logical to one person may appear illogical to another. This is because one arrives at logical decisions after having considered all relevant data pertinent to the problem. Thus, user preferences are always logical...to the user.

    There are several types of logic. The old Socratic logic of yes-no, right-wrong, etc, is workable, but has little value as far as life goes. Multi-valued logic is senior to it: yes-no-maybe (computers use this). And senior to that is infinity-valued-logic: yes-no, right-wrong are expressed on a scale where a level is more (+) or less (-) right or wrong.
     
  8. 2011/07/27
    leushino

    leushino Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Okay. Finally I have some rational reasons (business applications in particular) that make sense (to me that is). As for the average user who simply logs onto the internet to check his e-mail and go to a few favorite sites, I still do not believe it makes any real sense. And saying it is faster, in my view, is silly. How fast do things really have to be? After all... if it opens up within a second, you're still going to need a few seconds to open the following page whatever that might be. Besides, most browsers that I've used, open pages within a few seconds and surely that's not life-changing. I will admit, however, that we all come to the "logical/rational" table with our own baggage. Thanks for the input.
     
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    Miz

    Miz Inactive Alumni

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    I use a blank page because when I open the browser, I do not always intend to go to the same page.

    In the morning, I generally go to news sites first. Then I go feed the horses, do some barn chores and maybe a few other things that need doing outside before it gets hot.

    Back in the house, I probably check a couple of computer help forums first, maybe have time to check the news again then off to do whatever domestic goddess chore is waiting.

    When I have some more down time, I check the market reports, maybe do some online shopping.

    Since I know I don't intend to go to the same page every time I open the browser, I see no need to wait for it to load a page before going to the site I'm aiming for.
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Please mark this thread as "resolved ".
     
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    leushino

    leushino Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    It's not resolved at this point. I'd like to hear what others have to say.
     
  12. 2011/07/27
    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Isn't this a personal choice? You have the option to open with a blank page or home page in most of the browsers I've looked at.
    I prefer to use FF open with Google as my home page.
    If I use IE - it opens with local news and current news and I get sidetracked into looking at items I originally had no intention of viewing.
    Safari opens full of Apple news. Neil.:D

    Thanks for the Logic Tony.
     
  13. 2011/07/28
    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    More:

    Not all sites load quickly, especially portals. Most larger portal sites, news sites, ISP portals, stream the content from many different Web servers, all consolidated in a single page. Sometimes, the portal server other content providers' servers experience slows or delays. One must wait until the page is populated completely before interacting with it.

    If use a blank page, one can then visit such a site, & if it's running slow, one can navigate elsewhere via the bookmarks/favorites menu or menu bar.

    Some use a blank page out of habit which was established in the days of dial up Internet.

    Today, broadband is the norm, but many broadband connections are still pretty slow by comparison. For example, a standard DSL connection of 1.5-3 mb/s connection pails in comparison to a cable connection or fiber optic connection (15-20 mb/s). The slower broadband connections are slow to load heavy content sites.

    Temporary Internet Files:

    By default, browsers use their cache to load page content. So if the homepage content doesn't change frequently, most of what loads in the windows is loading from the cache, which makes it appear to load very quickly. But pages that have updating content, such as news headlines, don't load from the cache, they take longer to load.

    Many people have the browser set to delete the cache upon browser close. Thus, next time the browser launches, the entire page content must be re-downloaded, if the homepage is not a blank page. Using a blank page allows the user to decide when he wants to view updated content. He has the option of deciding which site he wants to load first, maybe due to his own considerations re time.
     
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    wildfire

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    Adding to Tony's reasons, 1 I haven't yet seen mentioned is data usage. Some people pay by usage rather than by time/fixed fee. For them why should they download a page (no matter how small) every time they fire up the browser knowing they're going directly to another site.
     
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    leushino

    leushino Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    All right, Gentlemen (and women). I really do appreciate your input. Sure, it is a matter of preference but it still doesn't hurt to discuss what our preferences are and why that is so. I'm always open to trying new things rather than getting myself into a stale routine. I like new. Thanks again and now, yes... I'll mark it resolved.
     
  16. 2011/07/29
    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Your question is also appreciated. After all, that's one of the reasons we are here... good discussions.
     

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