Windows BBS The Place for Microsoft Windows Support! Windows, Support, Help Site

Go Back   Windows BBS > Operating Systems > Windows XP

Windows XP Post your Windows XP related questions here.

Register your FREE account to unlock additional features at WindowsBBS.com
Register
Welcome to WindowsBBS.com
Microsoft Windows Support

Mission Statement

WindowsBBS is an online community dedicated to easily accessible technical support for those using Microsoft operating systems and other Windows software.

Our goal is to become the leading resource for computer users that require assistance with their day-to-day computer usage, including full support for networking PC's, virus & malware removal, system upgrades and general support questions.


Discussion Forums
Operating Systems
Windows 7 Windows 7
Windows Vista Windows Vista
Windows XP Windows XP
Windows Server System Windows Server System
Windows 2000 Windows 2000
Windows 95/98/Me/NT Windows 95/98/Me/NT
Internet & Networking
Networking
Internet Explorer
Microsoft Mail
Firefox, Thunderbird
      & SeaMonkey

General Internet
Security
General Security
Malware and Virus
     Removal

Other
Other Software
Hardware
Test Posts
Community
Introductions
General Discussions
Comments
      & Suggestions

News @ WindowsBBS

Forum Sponsor
 Image

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 5th February 2008   #1
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


Hard drive disc space unaccounted for

Having bought a new laptop I am trying to clean up my old one to pass it on to a family member. I have deleted all personal documents, pictures, etc, just left some essential applications such as an email program, a photo editing program, an antivirus program, Mozilla Firefox, nothing major... Total disc space is 60 GB. Adding up all the programs and system files in the Windows folder etc gives me approx. 10 GB. According to C-drive properties free space is 18 GB. I can't for the life of me figure out where the remaining 30 + GB are hiding. I did disc clean-up and defragmented the drive. According to all indications there are no major problems. Any ideas, any thoughts what's happening here?
hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote
Didn't find the information you thought to find?
Check out these Similar Threads
Old 5th February 2008   #2
Staff
 
PeteC's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Posts: 24,630
Computer Experience:
Usually not enough
PeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation Level

My System

Take a look in Disk Management ......

Start > Run > diskmgmt.msc > Enter

What info is given there - any other partitions ??

PeteC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2008   #3
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


I did it, no problems there: basic partition, healthy system, capacity 55.88 GB (not 60 as I had assumed), free space 18.92 GB, 33% free, overhead 0% (whatever that means)
hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2008   #4
Staff
 
PeteC's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Posts: 24,630
Computer Experience:
Usually not enough
PeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation Level

My System

A 60 Gb disk once formatted will have ~56 Gb spare space - the remainder is taken up with the file system. I have an empty 160 Gb drive in my computer - reads as 153 Gb as formatted - this is normal.

The anomaly you note re free space has cropped up before here - I'll see what I can find.

PeteC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2008   #5
Staff
 
Christer's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 5,338
Computer Experience:
I'm trying!
Christer Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation Level


If the computer is working flawlessly, disable System Restore, reboot and restart System Restore. By doing that, you free a big chunk of space, occupied by old Restore Points. If you want to, you can create a new Restore Point manually but I believe XP will do that by itself.

Christer

Christer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2008   #6
WindowsBBS Team Member
 
TonyT's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Fairfax, VA
Posts: 5,548
Computer Experience:
echo $experienced;
TonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation Level


The comp may have a hidden partition or two, one may contain a boot menu and the other the files needed to use the manufactuirer restore disk/restore program.
TonyT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2008   #7
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


Thanks all for you input. I was able to recover about 6 GB by eliminating the windows restore files. It still leaves a large portion unaccounted for. I have decided to reformat the drive and reinstall the applications. Thanks again.
hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2008   #8
SuperGeek
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: 62864
Posts: 4,028
Computer Experience:
Default
surferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Levelsurferdude2 Reputation Level

My System

Quote:
I have decided to reformat the drive and reinstall the applications.
I think reformatting and reloading is going to be much more work than you can justify.

I suggest that you get TreeSize Free and use it to locate the used space you are concerned with.

I hate to see you spend 3 days of grief reloading your system for no real gain. I'm assuming it works well as it is.

surferdude2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2008   #9
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


Thanks! I downloaded and ran TreeSize Free, but it did not solve the mystery. According to TreeSize my C drive contains 10,650 MB. System Volume Information is listed as access denied, but it has 0 MB - I assume that is System Restore which I had disabled.

When I right-click on the C drive in My Computer, it shows that 31,100 MB are used - not the 10,650 MB indicated by TreeSize - and that 24,700 MB is free space, giving a total capacity of 55,800 MB. That still leaves 20,450 MB unaccounted for!

As an aside, I was surprised to see 709 MB allocated to the Recycler although the Recycle Bin is empty.

hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2008   #10
Staff
 
PeteC's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Posts: 24,630
Computer Experience:
Usually not enough
PeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation LevelPeteC Reputation Level

My System

Quote:
As an aside, I was surprised to see 709 MB allocated to the Recycler although the Recycle Bin is empty.
Allocated size is set under Recycle Bin Properties (right click Recycle Bin > Properties) When the allocated space is filled the oldest deleted files are dumped to make way for new ones.

PeteC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2008   #11
Staff
 
Christer's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 5,338
Computer Experience:
I'm trying!
Christer Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation LevelChrister Reputation Level


Quote:
System Volume Information is listed as access denied, but it has 0 MB - I assume that is System Restore which I had disabled.
Yes, that's the folder you emptied by disabling/enabling System Restore. That folder is tricky, access denied and it doesn't even display the size correctly. Even if there are "tons" of Restore Points, the size will be displayed as 0 (zero).

Christer

Christer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2008   #12
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteC View Post
Allocated size is set under Recycle Bin Properties (right click Recycle Bin > Properties) When the allocated space is filled the oldest deleted files are dumped to make way for new ones.
Thanks. That makes sense.

hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2008   #13
WindowsBBS Team Member
 
TonyT's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Fairfax, VA
Posts: 5,548
Computer Experience:
echo $experienced;
TonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation LevelTonyT Reputation Level


What brand laptop is it? If it's a brand name laptop then almost for sure there is a hidden partition or two taking up disk space. Download a live linux cd and boot from it. Run its partitioner and it will show you all partitions.
TonyT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2008   #14
Inactive
 
Profile:
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,147
mflynn Reputation Levelmflynn Reputation Levelmflynn Reputation Level


Hmmm

Active and free space counts can be effected by certain disk errors.

I would do a chkdsk and then recheck the counts after.

Start-Run
type
chkdsk /r
ok

It will warn of not having exclusive access and ask for permission do do the chkdsk on the next reboot. OK that and reboot.

But before doing this, since you have cleaned/removed so much I would run ATF-Cleaner "select all" do Firefox and Opera also, run 2-3 times for each till it says no more to clean.

Also run CCleaner Temps and Registry repeatedly untill it comes up clean.

Finally I agree with surferdude2 on formating even if in the end you can not resolve this issue. Because it has never caused you and issue and so may be a reporting issue only (very likely).

Mike

mflynn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2008   #15
Senior Member
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vermont
Posts: 52
Computer Experience:
intermediate
hbreder Reputation Level


I did so. It just shows one partition. Nothing hidden.
hbreder is offline   Reply With Quote



Reply

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Problem adding 2nd hard drive to PC rlambert7 Windows XP 8 2nd October 2007 05:40
Windows Explorer has stopped detecting my USB Hard Drive kosketus Hardware 17 28th May 2007 21:15
No IDE device detected(no hard drive found) boomgoon Hardware 13 26th April 2007 03:04
Lost Hard Drive Space silvers Windows XP 2 27th November 2005 22:37


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:21.






Advertisements do not imply our endorsement of the product or service advertised.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.1
Copyright © 2002 - 2010 WindowsBBS.com. All rights reserved.
Terms of Use, Legal Information & Privacy Policy
[]