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Close ALL Programs?


This post could apply to both Win98 and WinXP, so I thought I'd drop it here and see what pops up. We all know that manufacturers say we should close "all programs" before installing their product. Historically, in Win95 and Win98 I would do the Ctrl-Alt-Del routine and end all tasks EXCEPT Explorer and Systray (and Necutray if I was dealing with my extenal hard drive). I've upgraded from 98SE to XP (awaiting SP2 with bated breath). One of the suggested actions to take before installing SP2 is to close "all programs." In XP the C-A-D routine is a bit different than 95 and 98. You have some extra tabs to deal with and 'tasks' are called 'processes.' I have many more processes in XP than I had tasks in 98SE. Can anyone tell me which of the processes I absolutely MUST leave running when installing under the XP operating system? I see an EXPLORER.EXE but I don't see anything that might resemble the old systray.

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"The pages below are from our in-house database and provide guidance on the usefulness or not of these programs, and removal procedures when recommended."

http://www.answersthatwork.com/Taskl...s/tasklist.htm

If I were to install SP2 right now....I'd defrag, I'd reboot and then I'd right click in my systray and shutdown ZoneAlarm and Norton AV and go for it.

"IF" I had a weather/stock tracker type software that's connected to the net, I'd close them down too. Basicaly I'd close anything that might write to the hard drive during the install.

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In XP, you can close all processes that are not essential to keep windows running, and if you try to close a system process windows will prevent it. The only process you can kill that may be essential to keep windows running is explorer.exe, but you will need that one running for any GUI application.

Kill Norton prior to an install:
Re Norton AV - you can kill auto-protect via it's system tray icon, but you cannot kill all the related Norton AV processes via task manager in XP. For some reason, one or maybe 2 of them will refuse to kill. Thus it's best to reconfigure nAv from it's options program and shut it all down, and then kill the nAV services via windows Services applet.

Me, well I never use auto-protect or NAV services, I just scan manually as needed, so never have any issues w/ installs while NAV Event service is running.


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Steve....my HD is in pretty good "shape", and ordinarily would not need a defrag. Why would/should I defrag before installing SP2? Thnx

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Originally Posted by TonyT
Kill Norton prior to an install:
Re Norton AV - you can kill auto-protect via it's system tray icon, but you cannot kill all the related Norton AV processes via task manager in XP. For some reason, one or maybe 2 of them will refuse to kill. Thus it's best to reconfigure nAv from it's options program and shut it all down, and then kill the nAV services via windows Services applet.
Hi Tony,

For some reason, one or maybe 2 of them will refuse to kill
You answered your own question in a way - and then kill the nAV services via windows Services applet. you can try killing a Service via TM and can't kill a service thru the try icon unless the process allows it. Its the NAV system process that can't be killed other than thru the Services applet.

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One thing that has bothered me MANY ( too many ) times is the ScreenSaver.

A couple of times I was installing something and left for a bit only to come back to find the SS running and shut it down too find AN ERROR message windows under it.

Also ( depending on the setting of it ) the Firewall may need to be shut down also.

I myself use ( and have since the days of 95 ) a program called StartupCop which can be used to stop various things ( like AV & a 3rd party Firewall ) from loading at startup.

I have found that shutting things down via Services MAY NOT stop them from reloading when Windows needs to be restarted to complete and install.

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Originally Posted by BillyBob
I myself use ( and have since the days of 95 ) a program called StartupCop which can be used to stop various things ( like AV & a 3rd party Firewall ) from loading at startup.

I have found that shutting things down via Services MAY NOT stop them from reloading when Windows needs to be restarted to complete and install.
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First things first, Startupcop for instance, will not detect all startups from Services. A good example is Johanna's wuaulct.exe thread. Startupcop won't detect it. EDIT: Forgot to add that I use Startupcop and is not what detected wuauclt. What did detect wauuclt.exe is Autoruns http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/fr...autoruns.shtml Shows more startup locations than any other program that I've tried so far. It can also stop startups as well, including Services by disabling them.

I have found that shutting things down via Services MAY NOT stop them from reloading when Windows needs to be restarted to complete and install.

Depends on how the Service is stopped: disabled - won't start. Stopped but w/ the startup type set manual, will start up if needed.

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You are quite correct. StartupCop does may/does not detect all running processes. It may well require using Services to disable some things.

ie:- It does not detect XPs' builitin Firewall. I just turned same on and it does not show in the StartupCop list. Gotta go to the Control Panel for that

But when I was using Norton NIS or it did show. And my Avg AV does show.

However it does show MOST 3rd party programs. And they are the ones that may cause more problems than the Windows Programs.

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Depends on how the Service is stopped: disabled - won't start. Stopped but w/ the startup type set manual, will start up if needed.
Agree.

But in StartupCop there are no choices other than enable/disable and Pack for Removal. ( I see I have/had two things marked that way )

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Originally Posted by chrisw
Steve....my HD is in pretty good "shape", and ordinarily would not need a defrag. Why would/should I defrag before installing SP2? Thnx
You don't have to do it. Just to me, a 200+meg upgrade should be "together" so to speak.

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There is a program called EndItAll2 which claims to close all but Explorer and Systray (though I am not sure about screensavers). It used to be free (and still may be from here http://www.docsdownloads.com/enditall.htm ), but PCMag now charges
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,697,00.asp
Many people say they prefer the original EndItAll.
http://www.the-old-sea-dog.net/enditall.html
I am not sure it runs on WinXP, even in compatibility mode.

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In Windows XP it is not necessary to end all running programs, including Norton, if you have it configured correctly. Close your extra Windows so that your Task Bar is clear. Anything in the Notification Area can generally be left alone (though some people do prefer to temporarily disable their AV when downloading, I don't) If you are a Win 9X diehard that MUST close things down, make sure the "Applications" tab in the Task Manager is clear, leave the "Processes" alone.

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I am not sure it runs on WinXP, even in compatibility mode.
Hi Jim,

Yes it does run on XP, don't have to run in compatibilty mode. All I use for is to check what's running and occasionally to block the screen saver slide show. I do useit to shut some things down because its at hand. With TaskManager in XP, you don't really need EndItAll for the original purpose.

And Johanna is right about not needing to shut things down in XP aside from the apps - this is not 98.

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I have a program called ScreenSaver Switch loading at startup with which I can change screensavers, Start and stop them.

I have it showing in the lower right corner of may screen and all I have to do is click on the little monitor icon it and the screensavers will not run. IF I DO NOT FORGET that is Click on it again and it will run.

It is also another item that has been around on my machines since the days of Win95.

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Charles, please call collect and inform my kids that I said SOMETHING right today, and be prepared to argue with them.

I (GASP!) shut the tv off early this morning and declared today (it's raining) "reading day", where I would read until my voice gave out. You would have thought I suggested they go to church in their underwear! Secretly, I think they enjoyed this afternoon, although they will never admit it.

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Johanna, rough day hey :-)

How many days and hours to school ?

Thank God my time for that is past. Waiting with anticipation for Granddadhood.

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