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Installing Updates in the correct order

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Christer, 2003/05/18.

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  1. 2003/05/18
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hello all!

    Some of You may remember that I´ve discussed updates before. My plan was/is to let Windows Update notify me about updates but to download them from the "corporate site" and install from the HDD.

    After having installed WinXP and SP1, I connected to Windows Update to check which ones I needed to download and it was quite a few.

    I´ve read that it´s important to install the updates in the correct order. If two updates replaces the same file and they are installed in the wrong order, you´ll end up with the incorrect file version.

    Would it be okey to install them in file date order?
    This date is in most cases the same as the date of the digital signature but in a few cases the file is "younger ".

    Thanks for Your time,
    Christer
     
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    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff

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    Hi Christer

    Suggest you either let Windows Update download and install the updates - in which case the order should be right

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    download to hard drive and install in alpha numerical order.
     

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Pete!

    Your first suggestion is by far the simplest and if the anti virus software and firewall are shut off, I think that nothing should interfere with the installation.
    However, I have read on this board about people having all kinds of trouble in this respect.

    Your second suggestion, well, I´ve tried to figure out if they can be installed in alpha-numerical order but it´s not like they started with Update #1 and then went on to #2 ...... it´s Q-numbers in the 3xx xxx series, the 3xx xxx series without the Q-prefix, the 8xx xxx series and I could go on.

    Furthermore, if they are sorted by file date it seems like the alpha-numerical designation is rather random.
    Two problems, given numbers in sequence but the second one being released before the first one is, if You understand what I mean.

    Maybe, for once, I´ll make it simple ......:rolleyes: ......

    Christer
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    charlesvar Inactive Alumni

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    Hi Christer,

    Do what you do, download the patches for later install. I then put them in their own folders and date them. That order then becomes the update order. So If any given update worked, that will be the order of re-installing them if I ever had to reload XP, which is, I think, why you're asking this question.

    There is your download history, plus MS dates the patches as well, which also helps in dating.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Charles!

    That´s the main reason for wanting to download and install from the HDD.
    Avoiding the possible hazards in the automated installations is an added benefit.

    When the updates are downloaded, the executable file and an internet link end up in a path of folders, the "last" one containing the update.
    I have simply added the file date at the beginning of the folder name to get them sorted in the correct order.
    An example: The original folder, com_microsoft.Q329115_XP, will be renamed 020924-com_microsoft.Q329115_XP.

    Have I understood it correctly if I put everything in the bin, including SP1 when SP2 is released?

    If so, does that apply to "recommended updates" as well as "critical updates "/ "hot fixes "?

    Christer
     
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    PeteC

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    Hi Christer.

    I think it would be most unwise to dump SP 1 when SP 2 becomes available.

    For a start SP2 will contain many of the current updates - see Add/Remove Programs, many of the updates are suffixed SP2, and it will save downloading/re-installing these.

    Secondly SP 1 contains a multitude of other fixes and enhancements which are not issued as updates.

    Thirdly, in the past, (for other OS's and suites like Office) previous Service Packs have needed to be installed before the latest one can be installed.

    Wait and see :)
     
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    Hi Christer,

    Let me clarify. I install the downloaded patches in the order that MS presents them (this applies to the critical stuff). Thats what the dating is for.

    As for recommended updates, thats a judgement I make on a per case basis.

    SP1: I got rid - actually burned them out - of all patches pre-SP1 since SP1 superceded them, that was specifically stated to be the case by MS. I will not re-install pre-SP1 patches in case of a reload.

    If an SP2 comes along, just as PeteC says, wait and see.

    Regards - Charles

    EDIT: Just read your reply to PeteC. What I'm talking about is SP1 for XP and unless otherwise stated, as in the case of XP SP1, PeteC is correct.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Pete!

    You´ve confirmed my suspicions.

    I remembered having read on a Microsoft webpage that a Service Pack contains all previously released fixes, including previous SP's. However, when I noticed that SP2 for Office XP requires SP1 to be installed, I started doubting that previous SP's are included.

    It´s possible that I misread the Microsoft webpage too.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Charles!

    This is fairly simple when the system is up and running but when there are 20-30 updates to get in the right order when making a fresh installation ...... then it´s not that simple to figure out the order.

    I checked the installation dates for my WinME updates and the number is not the thing to go by. 813489 is installed after 816093.

    Not all fixes have a release date which is easy to find so, I checked the file date and thought that would be the right order but maybe I´m missing the obvious, to simply install from the bottom to the top of the list as presented by Windows Update.

    Christer
     
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    charlesvar

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    Hi Christer,

    "This is fairly simple when the system is up and running but when there are 20-30 updates to get in the right order when making a fresh installation ...... then it´s not that simple to figure out the order. "

    You're right, but not nearly so hard if they are backed up complete with the dates they were installed as part of the identifier. This will work on your system if a reload was necessary or on another system as well; if nothing else, there would be in effect a list of updates and the order.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hi Charles!

    Future installations may be simpler but this is the first time that I make my "own" update catalog. I think/hope that I now know how to get them in the right order.

    Thanks to all my tutors!

    Christer
     
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