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Windows Vista User Control- an explanation is requested

Discussion in 'Legacy Windows' started by sandilew, 2010/11/28.

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    sandilew Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hello,

    I've had my Vista computer for 4 years, and I still don't understand User Control.

    I sign on to my computer, which I own and I am the ONLY person using it, and I am listed as owner/administrator. So why do I have to keep telling the computer yes, it's OK to open a program. Some open with no problem, others, I have to give permission.

    And the one that beats everything is when I try to say, delete a folder, I am told I do not have authority or permission to do what I am trying to do. I'm not talking about system files. Maybe it's a program that I no longer want, and I've removed the program, and want to delete the file. No, I'm not allowed.

    Well, if I don't have permission or authority to do that, then who the heck does????

    At first I tried turning User Control off, but then, of course, I am constantly dunned that my computer is at risk because of my actions. So I reluctantly turned it back on, and it just rubs me the wrong way every single time I have to give permission for a program or game to run, and especially when I am prevented from doing something.

    Could someone please explain this to me?

    Thank you,
    Sandie
     
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    sandilew Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hello Markmadras,

    Thank you for the program, but I still wish that someone would answer my question as to why, as administrator, I am denied permission to delete simple files, or have to give permission for any program to run in the first place.

    Sandie
     
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    Hi sandilew,

    quoted snippet:
    Extra security level for those applications that can be easily infected or exploited due to poor code or infections/infestation, or those users who continue to only login and use the true administrators account, throwing caution and security into the wind. See:

    http://www.ookii.org/post/what_is_uac_really_for.aspx

    Or this view which is slightly less heroic:
    http://arstechnica.com/security/new...security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.ars
     
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    Opps, sorry double post. Guess I'm overdue. I haven't done that in a long log time.

    Opportunity for a metaphor:
    Guess you could say malware/adware/virus reached epidemic levels and uac was Microsofts attempt at a vaccination. Not a cure but one way to protect the masses and in some cases users from themselves and poor decisions.
     
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    I like UAC :p, it's a double-check in case I might be installing something I should think about twice. It was an absolute PAIN when I was setting up my system, but now that it only pops up occasionally, I can live with that and I know (hope) it is doing it's job.

    sandilew, you can get Windows 7 if you want, they have watered down UAC for that, I expect they could "water-down" UAC in Vista using a service pack, but people might start to like it :D

    Yes, there are some/many "Access Denied" pop-ups, that's another one, but I don't think Windows 7 is much more "administrator friendly" in that area (it might involve commands from a prompt). You might need to keep up with your DOS :D

    Matt
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Hi Sandilew. In addition to what everyone else has said about UAC you should leave it enabled. It really isn't that annoying once you get used to the prompts.

    The only main annoyance in UAC that I disable is the secure desktop feature which dims the entire desktop when a UAC dialog box comes up. IMO this feature is annoying and can be disabled with a quick registry tweak but will leave the functionality of UAC in tact instead of turning it off. Take a look here, Make User Account Control (UAC) Stop Blacking Out the Screen in Windows 7 or Vista.

    Also if you are having permission issues with deleting/renaming/moving files or folders then take a look here, How to Take Ownership of an Item in Vista and Windows 7.
     
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    This is all explained in the link I gave you which included sub links with further information explaining what UAC is all about:).
     
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    Arie

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    You can let Vista's UAC behave like Windows 7: Taming Vista's User Account Control

    The main cause why some software will trigger an UAC prompt is because the software wasn't written with UAC 'in mind'. Usually pre- Vista software.
     
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    sandilew Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Thank you, Everyone, for your answers.

    I will definitely have some reading to do, learning how to use my UAC better. At least now I do understand some things that I did not before.

    Arie, thank you for your explanation, because it definitely answered one of my questions. I have a simple jigsaw puzzle game that I purchased when I owned an older computer running XP, and I play the game for a short time at least once a day. Every time I open the program I am asked for permission, and it just drove me nuts. The program has updated many times over the years, but for some reason, UAC always asks permission and yet I have other games and never have to give permission for them to run. I don't know why the programmer of my jigsaw game has not corrected this in the updates, but at least now I understand why the prompt occurs.

    Again, thank you everyone!
    Make it a great day,
    Sandie
     

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