3000+ with 266 fsb?

Hi every one,
I decided to upgrade my "˜puter and put in a faster Processor. To do that I had to get a bios upgrade. I flashed the Bios and had to call tech support, because it was not booting. They told me to do a repair install of XP. That solved the problem. After having done that I ran bios agent and it now tells me that I could install an AMD Athlon XP 3000+. My Motherboard has a fsb of 266. Is there such an animal? 3000+ with 266 fsb? I tried newegg and tiger direct, but they don’t have one. Any one knows where else I could look.
Sven

 

Sven:

You got some good information. Yes, there is a 266mhz Athlon 3000+.
You just were so anxious to find one, you blew right by it.

Core Barton
Name Mobile Athlon XP-M 3000+ (DTR)
Operating Frequency 2.2GHz
FSB 266MHz
L1 Cache 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache 512KB
Process 0.13 µm
Hyper-Transport Support No
Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, 3DNOW! Professional
Voltage 1.65V

I can't say enough good about the mobile XP+ processors. I've been using a lot of 2600+ CPU's and letting them air out at 400MHz set at 12x200 for 2400MHz which is 200MHz better than a stock 3200+ for a lot less money. They also run cooler. Now, I haven't tried a 3000+ Mobile, but if you have a few greenbacks burning a hole in your pocket - you can't go wrong. And, mark my words - this processor is going to hold its value so you should always be able to sell it for darn close to what you pay for it. In a couple of years it will command a premium.

 

Rockster2U

Thanks for your answer.
The reason I blew past it, was because it is "Mobileâ€.
Would that not imply that it belongs in a notebook?
I saw 1 of these on ebay, but did not bid on it because of "Mobileâ€.
Why is it called Mobile?
Can you explain?
Sven

 

You're wise beyond wisdom - Mobile means just that - it is a Mobile processor. Having said that however, it will run just fine in a desktop computer. In fact, most of these "Mobile" Athlons run considerably better than their 'Desktop" counterparts in desktop computers.

Take the 2600+ I referenced - it is rated to run at a 266MHz Bus Speed. It will run at a 400MHz Bus Speed with no modification necessary and it will run at 12x200 all day long or, with adequate cooling, memory and motherboard - 13x200. My 2600+'s benchmark as well as or better than a good many Athlon 64's - I am running both at 12x200 and they run in the high 30's, low 40's Centigrade. Thats 2400MHz or roughly the equivalent of a 3600+ (if they made one) Athlon XP.

The 3000+ you referenced will run fine in a desktop machine provided that the motherboard and BIOS are compatable. I think you already have been told that. Again, if the greenbacks are ready to jump out of your pocket - go for it. I'd also recommend one of those socketA copper thermaltake silent boost heatsink/coolers - about $29 additional.

 

Thanks again for the info.
I will take a look at those mobile cpu's.
Sven

 

Hi all,
I finally broke down and bought a 3000+ mobile AMD.
Found it at eewegg.com.
After I installed it, it booted up fine. I played a view games, and my impression was it was running faster, but that could be just because I knew I had a 3000+ in there. So I am not sure.
Then I run Everest and it tells me I have a chip that runs at 800 Mhz. ??

The numbers on the chip are so small, that I can not read them and need a magnifier to confirm that I have a 3000+.

I know it runs a lot cooler, but with only 800 Mhz, I would expect that.
Any one know if this is correct?

Regards
Sven


P.S.
I went to the AMD web and downloaded CPU Info and run that. It tells me that the CPU is "capable" of running at 2176 MHz.

Again I ask, why does Everest show 800MHz?

 

Well, I installed DOOM 3 and I could play it just fine. I guess that means it is NOT running at 800 MHz, but at aprox. 2200 MHz.

Why Everest and also Bios Agent report 800, I don’t know.
Anyone have a guess?
Thanks
Sven

 

Hi Sven. Run the AMD CPUid utility:
www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html
It should tell you the speed.

You could check the settings in the BIOS. The settings should be 200 x 10.5 for a speed of 2100Mhz (the standard 3000+ settings). (EDIT: These settings are the standard for a 400Mhz FSB and may overclock the FSB components).

I am only speculating, but if your findings are much different check that the BIOS upgrade you flashed includes the 3000+ in the upgrade information. Since the motherboard BIOS is for a PC and not a "mobile ", you may need to make the settings manually. That is, it won't automatically set them.

Matt

 

Mat, here are the results from CPUid:
Processor #1

Processor Information:
CPU Vendor: AuthenticAMD Platform: Socket A (Socket 462)
Processor: Mobile AMD AthlonXP (Barton) Version: 0.11
CPU Type: Original OEM processor
Name String: Mobile AMD Athl
Instructions: MMX (Ext), 3DNow (Ext), SSE

CPUID Information:
Standard: Family: 6 Model: A Stepping: 0
Extened: Ext. Family: 7 Ext. Model: A Brand ID: N/A
Process: 130nm
Revision: A2

CPU & Bus Speed:
CPU Speed: 796.09MHz
CPU Multiplier: x 6.0 (3 - 16.5)
CPU FSB Speed: 132.68MHz
Bus Speed: 265.36 (DDR)

Basic Cache Information:
L1 Instr. Cache size: 64KBytes
L1 Data Cache size: 64KBytes
L2 Cache size: 512Kbytes

The reason I purchased a 3000+ is because of the bios. It tells me I can run a 3000+ processor. In what section of the bios would I find the setting that I have to adjust?

Thanks
Sven

 

Sven, I put an edit on those settings in my last post. Those are the standard settings in the listing I have for that processor. I will check against my 266 FSB M/B.

What is the make and model of the motherboard? We will need to check the motherboard manual.

Matt

 

Matt

Motherboard Name: ECS L7VMM(2) / Syntax SV266M(A)
This info is from Everest
Thanks
Sven

 

Sven, I looked at the M/B manual for the ECS L7VMM2 version 1.0, here:
http://www.ecsusa.com/downloads/manual_l7.html

I do not trust software to read hardware information "exactly ". I suggest you check the model number and version printed on the motherboard. Check the layout of the board against the diagrams in the manual.

The manual states that the CPU should be recognised and set automatically, although this doesn't seem to have happened.

Check the J5 jumper is set to 133Mhz.

The only place in the manual where it seems you can change the multiplier is in
Frequency Voltage Control -> CPU Host/AGP/PCI Clock
The manual only states that is for "overclocking ". You will need to check for yourself. See if there is a multiplier listing for the CPU.

When you flashed the BIOS did you reset to "Fail-Safe Settings "? You could try doing so now, but it should be done straight after the flash. See what happens if you set "Optimum Settings ".

Let us know what you find.

Matt

 

Matt.

Thanks for the link.
I will try and find out how this thing goes.
Thanks Again
Sven

 

Matt,

Here is what I have and have done:

My MB is L7VMM rev:1.0
Jumper 3 is set to 133 MHz

Frequency Voltage Control -> CPU Host/AGP/PCI Clock was set to Default and that gave me 800 MHz, I changed it to 133 and that gave me 804 MHz. then I changed it to 140 and that gave me 840MHz. If I go any higher, my computer will not function at all, not even a Beep in the beginning. I had to clear the cmos to get it back up.

The most I can get is 840 MHz, and that would be called over clocking. I don’t know how to get it going faster.

As I stated before, I installed DOOM 3 (and that requires a cpu capable of 1500 MHz) and I can play it.

Is it possible that the chip is running at 2200, but the MB is not capable of displaying it correctly and therefore none of the software will see it correctly either?

Any more help you can come up with would be appreciated.

Sven

 

Sven, you appear to be changing the FSB speed.

From the CPUid information:

The Multiplier is the one you need to change. (I did not look closely at that before). It appears to be set at 6.0 with an apparent range of 3 to 16.5.
6.0 X 133Mzh will give the current 800Mzh CPU speed. You will need to change the multiplier to 16.0 to give a speed of 2128Mzh (ie, a 16.0 multiplier times the 133Mzh FSB equals 2128).

I saw that the BIOS has a readout of the the CPU speed in the manual that I looked at. Check that readout just in case.

If you change the FSB from 133 to 140, yes, you are overclocking the FSB components (RAM, Northbridge chip, etc). You need to find the setting for the multiplier which only governs the speed of the CPU.

You sound somewhat happy with the way the machine is going. If the multiplier turns out to be only set "automaticaly" and is not adjustable manually it seems you are still better off. Being able to run Doom3 is not bad for an aging machine. Maybe consider getting another motherboard, even the mid-priced ones run very well and only lack the "extras" of the expensive ones and the mid-priced ones don't cost that much to begin with. Later on, upgrade the RAM.....after that the HDD....then you start the whole cycle again .

Matt

 

Matt,
I did not see any readout in my bios that allows me to change the multiplier to 16.5. I am also talking to the people who sold me the Bios in hopes that they have a solution.
Thanks for your help
Sven

 

Just for grins... (and the fact that I changed from dialup to DSL less than 2 weeks ago and LOVE the download speeds...) I downloaded the Doom 3 demo and tried it on my machine. I run a 1GHz. Athalon that actually clocks at 997MHz.. With video quality set at high I had absolutely no problem running the demo. The demo also said it needed a 1.5GHz. processor. I THINK this game is more reliant on the video than the processor. While my processor is supposed to be too slow I am running an ATI 9200 128meg video card.

With a decent video card I do believe that Doom 3 would run fine on an 800MHz. machine. Especially if you didn't crank up the video quality.

What all this boils down to is don't assume that your running faster than the 800MHz. shown just because you can run the game.

Find the setting for the multifier and change it per setting already given. You might also try looking through the manual and see if you can find a jumper setting that turn on/off autodetect for the processor. If you find and the jumper is in the off position, change it to on.

 

SOLD you the bios??? Do you mean the bios update or did someone change the bios chip??? If someone SOLD you a bios update that should be available for free from the manufacturer's site I would demand my money back!

 

Jaylach,

Yes the Bios was sold to me because the manufacturer only had a bios for a chip up to 2600+ and they claimed they have one that goes to 3000+. This is an old MB and it is, I think, no longer made and therefore the manufacturer did not have anything new in a Bios.
If I can not get it to recognize the 3000+, I will ask my money back.
Also, I looked in the manual and could not find anything about auto detect for the processor or the multiplier.
Sven

 

Matt,

After further investigation about multiplier, I found a little program called: RightMark CPU Clock Utility. I found it at Major Geeks under Processors.

It allows me to set the multiplier to 16.5, where it should be. After setting it to 16.5, Everest 1.5 and 2.0 report that I now run at almost 2200 MHz. I would appreciate if you or someone with knowledge would test this to make sure this is correct and inform me about any danger in running this utility.

Tanks for your help
Sven