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Intel and Micron promise 10TB 3D SSDs

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by retiredlearner, 2015/03/31.

  1. 2015/03/31
    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member Thread Starter

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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I have not even filled my 1Tb drive and I have over 3700 tunes, plus several images of my C: drive copied to it!
     
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    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member Thread Starter

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    Bill, Adverts here in NZ offer 20 Million songs to download. How many lifetimes would it take to listen to them?
    I would imagine units of that size would be for storage as the average user would never utilize 10 TB's. Neil
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Depending on where you look, the average length of a song is anywhere between 3 and 4 minutes.

    So say, 3 minutes. 3 x 20 million songs = 60 million minutes = 1 million hours = 41,666.6 days = 114.155 years of non-stop music. I love music and Pandora is typically the first thing I start every time I sit down at my computer, but even I have to stop listening every so often.
     
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    I remember the first 20MB hard drive from IBM... back then we thought the same. I'm pretty sure by the the those 10TB drives are available it wouldn't be that far off that we'd actually can imagine filling it up...
     
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    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member Thread Starter

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    Yes Arie early HDD's were HUGE for their time. The first laptop I got had 128MB HDD and I bought a 10GB one to get some working space.
    Laptops today usually start with at least 500GB's HDD and 1TB is not out of place. So, as you said, by the time they hit the market - users will be filling them. Neil.
     
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    I worked with a young guy before I retired, he was a video fanatic, filled up two 2TB drives in less than 6 month.
    Hate to think what he has now.

    And my first real HDD was 1 GB, huge it was and cost me $350.- I still have the receipt, was for my all new machine with Windows 95 progressing from Windows 3.11 that I had on 13 Floppy Disks, and yes I still have them as well as my original real Floppy 5.5" Floppy drive and disk.
    My wife reckons that I am a horder, I say I am just sentimental.
     
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    No you're not a hoarder. You're a sentimental hoarder.
     
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    Thanks mate
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    My first HD was the 10Mb (yes, Megabyte) Seagate ST-412 I bought for my Commodore 64 in the mid 1980's and it cost me over $500.
     
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    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member Thread Starter

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    Bill my first digital camera (2002) had a 16MB flash card supplied. I enquired about a new 128MB card which was on display and the price was $1.00 per MB!!!
    Today you can buy a 16GB card for about $8.00.
    My Samsung Galaxy S4 GT19505 smart phone has a 64GB Micro SDHC card which cost $45.00.
    It certainly pays to wait a while after new technology is introduced for the prices to become realistic. Neil.
     
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    Yeah it sure does, Neil.

    Glad to see the prices of SSDs falling too, but would like to see them catch up with HDs. Frankly, I wonder if their prices are being artificially kept high by the makers to fund R&D. It seems to me, everything about making a SSD to packaging and shipping SSDs should be cheaper than HDs.

    The prices are not stopping me from using SSDs in all my builds now, but I still think they should be lower.
     
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    Just seen Samsung 840 EVO 1TB mSATA $AU 499.-
    Very tempting.
     
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    Hi Bill, did a Google and saw quite a number of SSD's (Samsung 840 EVO 1TB mSATA) on Ebay varying in price from $360 up to $650.
    Is your price on a new unit? Neil.
     
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    Yes it is Neil, not ebay, Computer-shop
     
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    I'm sure you are familiar with die yields... I've had a chat recently with an Intel engineer, and it is shocking how low the yields are when they start with a new process. Once they start making improvements and get the yield up, it gets more economical.

    These 3D wafers can fail at an exponential rate compared to 'standard' wafers...
     
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    So a little more on expected prices...

    Source: Seekin Alpha
     
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    Yeah, no doubt their failure rate is pretty high at first and they do have to sell a lot to really have their investments pay off. But considering how deep Intel's pockets are, the pain is not too bad.

    But I note too that just because a die or chip fails a certain density or speed test, that does not necessarily mean it is a total loss. These often will pass lower density or lower speed tests and can then be sold as smaller capacity and/or slower speed devices.

    RAM and disk makers have been doing this forever. Anybody remember the disk punches used to turn singled-sided floppy disks into double sided? All floppies were made to be DSDD (double sided, double density) but if one side failed factory testing, it was relabeled as SSDD or maybe SSSD (single sided, single density). Punching out the write protect notch on the other side let you use it (and typically with no problems).

    I agree the tipping point for SSDs is getting close and as SSDs become more popular, will get closer. I just wish that would happen soon.

    Sadly, too many people look only at upfront costs when buying or building a computer. While certainly tight budgets often make keeping the initial purchase prices down a necessity, if they could look at the extra cost of the SSD spread out over the next 3 - 5 years (or longer) plus the savings in electricity you get with an SSD over an HD, I think more users would be willing to spend more upfront. Especially since they will see significant and gratifying performance gains in the process - they will see tangible benefits for their investment. Oh well.
     

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