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Resolved Installing USB3 card.

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by BobbyScot, 2012/09/07.

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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    What are the benifits of installing a USB3 PCI card? Will all existing USB memory sticks, external hard drives function with a USB3 card? Suggestions please, as to which cards are the best? apparently some cards are quite flimsy.
     
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    PeteC

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    Only advantageous if you have USB 3 devices when they will operate to USB 3 standards. USB 3 devices plugged into a USB 2 port will operate as if they were USB 2.
    Yes, but only at their native speeds of USB 1 or 2 - they will not operate at USB 3 speeds.

    No recommendations from me - I have no USB3 ports or devices.
     

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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    PeteC, thanks for your response, I realise now that it would serve no purpose in installing USB3. Advertisers certainly paint a picture that installing a USB3 card will make a vast difference in speeding up the computer functions. Your explanation has saved me an unnecessary expense.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Hi BobbyScot. In addition to what Pete said the only way that you could use USB 3.0 devices with a USB 3.0 slot would be if you get a new motherboard.

    Unless you are doing some heavy programming from USB flash drives or transfering files to external harddrives a lot then using USB 2.0 will suit your needs just fine.

    You should always watch out for advertisements like this since not all of them will be true. Its a good thing you asked this type of question on this forum so we could give you a proper explanation.
     
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    Arie

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    Well, if you have (for example) a high quality USB 3.0 flash drive, they will even perform better on USB 2.0.

    Below you can see my (old) USB 2.0 Corsair Flash Voyager performs at an average transfer rate of 17.6 MB/sec while my new Corsair Flash Voyager GT 3.0 (which is an USB 3.0 device) clocks an average of 32.8 MB/sec (while on USB 2.0). That's more then double the speed.
     

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    tigerbright

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    Hi , i thought a USB 3.0 pci-e 1x host bus card would enable faster transfer of data than via an onboard USB 2.0 bus would , the proviso being that the attached storage device supports the higher speed
    USB 3.0 bus spec = 400MB/s real world
    PCI-e 1x (1 lane) bus 250MB/s
    USB2.0 onboard bus = 480Mb/s = 60MB/s
    technically an unused pc-e 16x slot (graphics card) could support a USB3.0 host bus adapter card and of course a pci-e 1x slot , with speed pegged at 250MB/s max

    more reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_3.0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

    I actually purchased a USB 3.0 card for evaluation but unfortunately was faulty or my computer mis-configured as it fried my digital camera storage device and several flash drives as i tried different configurations and slots , so i lost some enthusiasm for this upgrade
    So my advise is after installation test first using a cheap expendable flash drive !
     
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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    My thanks to all who submitted a response to USB3. If I had taken the various readings regarding USB3 cards as gospel truth, spent ££££s for nothing and perhaps damaged computer.
     
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    PeteC

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    Please mark your thread as 'Resolved'.

     
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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    And then, plug it in to a USB 3.0 port and it'll be more than 5-1/2 times as fast as on USB 2.0.

    Here's a HD Tune 2.55 "Average" comparision using a "SanDisk Extreme 16GB" (USB 3.0 device) that's plugged into:

    USB 3.0: 175.3 MB/sec
    USB 2.0: _31.4 MB/sec
     

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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am afraid that is not correct - though I am not sure what you mean by "USB 3.0 slot ". USB does not use "slots" - which are typically long connectors with 2 rows of contacts - as used for memory modules (sticks) and expansion "cards" that are then installed in PCI or PCIe "slots ".

    But to be sure, you CAN add USB 3.0 functionality to any computer/motherboard with a free "expansion slot" by adding a USB 3.0 card, and connecting your USB 3.0 devices to the card. But I would not use PCI if you have a PCIe slot available because PCI only has a maximum bandwidth of 133Mb/s. Remember, in spite their similar names, PCI and PCIe (PCI Express) are very different.

    I would never add 3.0 to a system just to have 3.0 unless I had (or needed) a 3.0 device to connect to it. But if I needed a new external drive for example, I would ensure it is 3.0 (even if my system only supports 2.0) so it will carry me further into the future.

    There is absolutely no reason to suspect or fear adding USB 3.0 support to any computer poses any risk of damage to the computer, or any USB device connected to it just because it is 3.0. One example of one piece of faulty hardware is no indication of any trend, pattern, or problem. Until Man can create perfection, 100% of the time, there will always be some failures, faults, or imperfections.
     
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    SpywareDr

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    As Bill mentioned, PCI isn't fast enough for USB 3.0. PCIe is though. And the benefit is what used to take almost half an hour now takes roughly 5 minutes.




    Yes. USB 3.0 is backwardly compatible.




    This Koutech 4-Port SuperSpeed USB 3.0 (3x Ext + 1x Int) PCI Express (x1) with 4-pin Molex Power, Model IO-PEU434 - $26.99+$2.99 Shipping=$29.98 has been working great in a Dell Vostro 260 for a bit over a month.


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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    SpywareDr, I am rather confused as all reply threads appear to be differrent, as to whether USB3 PCIe slot card will be suitable upgrade. I have read a few reports on Koutech 4 Port Superspeed ....... IO-PEU434 ......., that the plate with 4 USB3 sockets and the power connector are very delicate and require extreme care while fitting. External USB hard drive, how can you check if USB2 or USB3?
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    I meant USB 3.0 "port" and not "slot ". I know what the differences are.

    From what I understand though BobbyScot could take advantage of a USB 3.0 card if he installed it in the PCIe slot on his mobo instead of just the regular PCI slot. But PCIe slots are used for video cards so unless he has a second PCIe slot that is available to use then there is little point in installing a USB 3.0 card. A PCI slot is too slow to be of any real use for a USB 3.0 card in a USB 2.0 mobo.

    Am I correct in this assumption?
     
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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Evan, it's a PCI Express (x1) USB 3.0 expansion card.

    And yes, PCI is way too slow.

    Conventional PCI = 133 MB/s
    SuperSpeed USB 3.0 = 625 MB/s

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    Bobby, the Koutech card has 3 USB 3.0 ports on the expansion card bracket which are available externally, and another USB 3.0 port mounted on the card so you can connect something up internally if you like. (For example, a front-mounted USB 3.0 port). As far as it being weak, I haven't had a bit of trouble. I do not mistreat ports however. Never wiggle them up/down/left/right. Straight in, straight out and with no more force than necessary.

    As far as telling the difference between USB 3.0 and earlier versions, USB 3.0 connectors are Blue and earlier versions are some other color.

    If you'll click the link I posted above you can see all of the details I'm trying to describe.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Ahh I didn't see that it was an x1 card. Well, Bobby should have no trouble installing it if he intends on using the USB 3.0 functionality. Pretty much every mobo made within the last few years includes PCIe x1 slots so Bobby, you can buy the card if you see yourself using the increased speeds of USB 3.0.
     
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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    To give you an idea of just how much faster USB 3.0 is ...

    Let's say you were driving along at:

    31 mph (50 km/h)​

    and I blow past you at:

    175 mph (282 km/h)​

    Zoom, zoom. :)
     
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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Evan Omo, configuration on my computer mother board is :

    1x16 pin slot = Video card fitted.

    1x6 pin? slot = empty. *

    1x6 pin? slot = empty. *

    1x16 pin slot = empty.

    * not certain of number of pins. Slot strips are roughly 1/4 size
    of the 16pin.
     
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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    The image on the left shows the Koutech USB 3.0's PCIEX1 connector on the bottom edge, and
    the image on the right shows a motherboard with 3 PCIEX1 slots that it could be plugged into:
     

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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Ok so you have 3 PCIe x1 slots. So if you buy the PCIe x1 USB 3.0 card that SpywareDr linked you to, you should have no problems installing it.

    If you were using a regular PCI USB 3.0 card then I would say its not worth using since as noted above the PCI bus speeds are to low to take advantage of USB 3.0. But since you have PCIe x1 slots that are fast enough to support USB 3.0 speeds then it should work well.
     
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    BobbyScot

    BobbyScot Geek Member Thread Starter

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    SpywareDr, the two small diagrams is similar to my own mother board layout.

    My mother board: slots referring to diagram:

    blue - white - white - white.
    I will look into the Koutech USB3 card.
     

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