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Old 10th June 2003   #1
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Hi all!

Yesterday, I typed a comment to a thread but when I submitted, the server was off-line and I lost it. Now I canīt find the thread which prompts this new one.

Iīve installed jv16 PowerTools and RegScrubXP. Iīve noticed that what has been said previously on here, that both should be used, is true. jv16 RegCleaner finds stuff that RegScrubXP misses and the other way around.

Concerning jv16 RegCleaner (the one included in jv16 PowerTools, not the stand-alone), I have only deleted the "green" entries which are deemed safe to remove.

In that other thread mflynn adviced to "delete all it finds".
The context was removing an application that have no uninstall option.

Do I understand it right, that this advice was for this particular situation and that all entries pertaining to this application should be removed?

Do I understand it right, if I under normal useage only delete the "green" entries and leave the "red" entries?

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I did advise delete all it finds for RegScrub and RegCleaner!

Did not apply that statement to Jv6 as it needs more knowlege and experience to use.

I do use it myself but have never advised anyone else to use Jv6.

You best stick with Regcleaner. If you use Jv6 better be careful!

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IMO, there is really nothing to be gained from running any type of "registry cleaner". Superfluous entries to not cause a system to slow down but "cleaning" the wrong thing just might cause a system to stop working. IOW, the risks far outweigh the gains!

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Mike,
Iīve been searching for that thread again but to no avail. Either I had a bad dream last night ...... ...... or the thread has disappeared.

To make clear which applications You refer to:

Do You by RegScrub refer to
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=2048

There are so many Regcleaners, do You refer to
http://www.webmasterfree.com/regcleaner.html

or to
http://www.webattack.com/get/regcleaner.shtml

or to
http://www.verkkotieto.fi/jv16/shtml/regcleaner.shtml

If itīs the latter one, then Iīm ...... ...... since itīs the one included in jv16 PowerTools

Brett,
You might have a point there, if it works - donīt fix it.

Some people say that a few stray regentries do no harm but a **** load of them can slow the system down.

I donīt know ...... Iīm still learning!

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All are correct except this one (appears to ba an older ver):

http://www.webmasterfree.com/regcleaner.html

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I have noticed that #2 and #3 refer to the same regcleaner from jv16. Possibly #1 too but itīs not the same download site.
This RegCleaner is included in jv16 PowerTools.

In Your first reply You adviced against the use of the jv16 RegCleaner by less experienced people. You recommended that I stick with Regcleaner.

Maybe Iīm thick but Youīve lost me. Which regcleaner do You mean I can handle and which regcleaner should I stay away from?

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RegCleaner 4.30.780

He has 2 reg cleaner

Not the one that is included in JV6.

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Mike,
thanks for the clarification!

However, I quote from this webpage
http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/regcleaner.shtml


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This program is not being updated or improved anymore simply because it is "ready". If you like this program be sure to check out jv16 PowerTools which includes all the features of RegCleaner plus much more. Don't report any bugs you might find, if the bug gives you trouble you should uninstall RegCleaner and get jv16 PowerTools.
Thatīs the cause of my confusion. I was under the impression that they were the same. I have checked out both and I saw no difference apart from RegCleaner no longer being developed and the one included in jv16 PowerTools being continued.

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I don't recommend jv16 to anyone not familiar with the registry. If you delete the wrong thing, you end up with a system that won't boot. It has some great options, if you take the time to learn them.
RegScrubXP is a noob's friend, just run it, and delete all it finds. You can't go wrong.
The other easy one is ToniArts EasyCleaner, it is safe to run all it's tools, but beware the "Duplicate files" one. Delete the wrong thing, and it's a reinstall situation.
Both work fine in XP, with no program incompatibilities.

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Hi reboot,
thanks for Your comments!

Iīll have a look at ToniArts EasyCleaner.

In the meantime I have run these three applications with the noted results:

RegScrubXP:

8 problems to fix, no values or subkeys

0 exclusions

Standalone RegCleaner - do them all:

1 invalid entry to remove, this entry shows up as ignored (red) when "jv16 PowerTools - Registry Tool - Registry Cleaner" is run

10 ignored entries

jv16 PowerTools - Registry Tool - Registry Cleaner:

15 entries safe (green) to remove, 8 file does not exist / 2 useless file extension / 5 useless empty key

71 entries not safe (red) to remove

It seems to me like this is a very wide grey zone, two applications find different things to be useless and safe to remove.
One entry is deemed safe by one application but deemed not safe by another, both applications from the same developer ......

I have used Nortons "Windows Registry Scan" for two years and I think that Iīll stick to that one for regular maintenance.

Should I uninstall an application, then I might run one of the others to clean leftovers.

(On my "trial-and-error" LapTop, I have used all of them including jv16 in which i removed all green enties. So far so good ......)

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As long as you only remove the "green" entries in jv16, then it's OK. Removing anything else without knowing exactly what it is, can cause problems.
REgScrubXP is too simple. Leave all settings as they are, run it, remove what it finds, close it. Period.
Easycleaner too. Run it, remove, close.
Even the dire warning to NOT remove some folder or reg entry (Eudora) I have removed, and it get's put back the next time I run the program, so no problems.

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I have an addendum to my "research".

EasyCleaner found 78 entries to remove, the one that was red - not safe in jv16 was on the list to be removed.

Seems more and more like a lottery to me. I was more or less prepared to take the green ones of jv16 as actually safe and the red ones as actually not safe. I certainly didnīt expect EasyCleaner to come up with 78 entries to remove.
I havenīt compared the jv16 list with the EasyCleaner list but if the jv16 reds really are red, then EasyCleaner is way off, or ...... the other way around.

Iīll install NSW on that computer too to se what idea Norton has of the situation.

About removed keys being put back, Iīve noticed that behaviour in RegScrubXP too.


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I can't vouch for jv16's accuracy, but I know EasyCleaner has never given a problem in Win9x, nor XP.
It finds different entries, because it uses a different search method, and accesses different keys.
You'll not find two reg clean type programs that do the same thing.

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You'll not find two reg clean type programs that do the same thing.
Well, I can probably vouch for that.
When Norton System Works was installed I run "One Button Checkup" which returned 25 errors. 2 invalid file extensions and 23 invalid ActiveX/COM Entries.

After this installation the registry has changed so, Iīll have to run the other ones again to get the picture.

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Hi again!

Iīve been "playing" with these four registry cleaning tools and have made a few observations. To give them something to look for, I uninstalled Norton System Works and removed all left-over folders from the system partition. In each case I only run the search but didnīt take any action to clean.

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You best stick with Regcleaner. If you use Jv6 better be careful!
Well, Iīve been a good lad for a long time so, I thought it was time to be naughty. I run the jv16 PowerTools RegCleaner (referred to as jv16 to avoid confusion), as well as RegCleaner to compare those two.
My finding is that jv16 finds twice as many green items as RegCleaner finds invalid entries, 90 compared to 45. In addition to that, it finds 183 red items compared to 10 ignored entries found by RegCleaner.

RegScrubXP found 64 problems and EasyCleaner found 109 invalid references.

When I started actually cleaning the registry, I always did one run in this sequence, RegScrubXP - EasyCleaner - RegCleaner - jv16. I found out that the first round of cleaning, released a bunch of new invalid entries. After a few runs this was left:

RegScrubXP - 2 problems (which returned each and every time, recreated?)
EasyCleaner - 0 invalid references
RegCleaner - 0 invalid entries, 9 ignored entries
jv16 - 0 green, 51 red

This means that RegScrubXP and EasyCleaner removed 132 entries which jv16 deemed not safe to remove.
Is jv16 overly cautious?

Among the 51 reds are 28 referring to Norton or Symantec. I wonder if those would be safe to remove since the application has been uninstalled?

When I deleted a number of files, *.txt and *.doc, RegscrubXP and EasyCleaner found nothing whereas RegCleaner and jv16 found quite a few invalied entries. Again, jv16 found twice as many as RegCleaner.
Could it be that jv16 lists the same key twice if it is in two sections of the registry but RegCleaner only cares to mention it once?

I have not (yet) used or studied any of the other functions of jv16 PowerTools!

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